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  1. #7421

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetsukakashi View Post
    well, like Kaizou just mentioned, it's the naked girls and fanservice. and it's exactly as u're saying "soma looks like the generic anime style". i've always had that in mind, but couldn't find the right word for it. and ya, that's probably exactly the reason; fanservice + anime style of drawing = almost like a high-budgeted fanservice anime in comics-form or something. i'm not dissing here, and i dunno anything about soma (i don't read fanservice), but imo, fans would give stories a chance, even if the story is not that good, just cause they initially got hooked from the pervy stuff. again, i dunno soma's story, so sorry if i'm mistaken... it's just my experience with series overall (what's in my mind: fairy tail).
    Except you know, Souma is one of the most truly-shounen-manga-writing in all of Jump right now.

    But sure, carry on your bias without actually reading it.
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    I have a question. Should I upload the Jump SQ. information in here or prefer to make Jump SQ. thread?

  3. #7423

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    Was it? When I look at Bleach, it is mostly about just situational goal.

    What I mean is that, for example, when Luffy solved the conflict from the arc (like Alabasta, Water Seven, etc., etc.), he can still move toward his main goal (become pirate king). For Ichigo, whenever the arc is finished (like Espada arc), he really has nothing to do until some sort of new enemies are introduced.

    So, I wonder what Ichigo wants to become at the end. Just become strong enough to protect his friend? That kind of sounds like similar with Bellamy (just become strong).
    Bellamy's goal is to join Doflamingo's crew.

  4. #7424

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliblord View Post
    Luffy: Kaizokuou ni ore wa naru!!
    Naruto: Ore ga narite- no wa hokage da!!
    Toriko: Get into a COMBO with me, and let's make the most awesome FULL COURSE together!
    Kuroko: Now we're gonna WIN!!

    can't read the rest
    No !

    This may be the only chance for us to find out Ichigo's actual personal goals !

  5. #7425

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Maam View Post
    No !

    This may be the only chance for us to find out Ichigo's actual personal goals !
    Didn't Kubo attempt to a dress this at the beginning of the substitute shinigami arc and then never bring it up again?

  6. #7426

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    Except you know, Souma is one of the most truly-shounen-manga-writing in all of Jump right now.

    But sure, carry on your bias without actually reading it.
    i'm not being biased here. i just think (think) even if it has a very awesome story, it 'probably' wouldn't have continued long if not for the initial fanservice hook, cause many awesome stories r being thrown outta jump, and some other stuff (sorry naruto fans) is still ongoing.

  7. #7427

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    I think you are wrong because a story which mostly relied on fanservice like Pajama didn't last. I personally don't like this kind of story and loved Souma from the get go and that is why it is successful. It's not restricted to a niche audience. I really think you should read it before saying anything more because you have a wrong opinion on what Souma really is. Not that I blame you, I think a lot of readers did the same and that tentacule scene from chapter 1 probably didn't help for those who had prejudice idea on the title when it was just a joke (good one in my opinion).

  8. #7428

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetsukakashi View Post
    i'm not being biased here. i just think (think) even if it has a very awesome story, it 'probably' wouldn't have continued long if not for the initial fanservice hook, cause many awesome stories r being thrown outta jump, and some other stuff (sorry naruto fans) is still ongoing.
    You really do a disservice to the manga and to Jump by thinking like that without actually having read the thing, you know?

    Nothing gets the axe without a very good reason for that, and I think you can safely say that not a single exceptionally good manga has been cancelled in a long, long time. Every cancelled work has had something about them that people have not liked very much relative to how much they like the other WSJ publications, which has eventually led to their downfall.

    I'm not sure if you know, but the WSJ lineup is entirely based on the results of the weekly popularity questionnaires submitted by the readership. Once you place in the bottom five for many weeks in a row, you're out. It's not good for Shueisha's business to keep badly grossing manga there any longer. And the thing is that all the series get to run for at least ten weeks (i.e. ten chapters) before they can be discontinued because the ratings only kick in after the eighth week, so every single new manga gets some time to awe the readers. If they fail to do that for whatever reason, they're out. Mere fanservice is never enough to save an uninteresting series -- the jump readers aren't exactly stupid -- and only genuinely uninteresting things get the axe.

    Souma's rankings, then? Stable top five from the very first week of ratings. That's not something fanservice alone achieves in a magazine that has long-lasting, extremely popular titles like One Piece, Naruto, Gintama, Toriko, now AssClass, and a whole bunch of others. It's quality is so visible and so stellar that people have been able to tell from pretty much chapter five onwards that they are in for something special. It would never have been canned, ever. Besides, even as far as fanservice goes, Soma is the one series in Jump that handles it the most appropriately.
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  9. #7429

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetsukakashi View Post
    i'm not being biased here. i just think (think) even if it has a very awesome story, it 'probably' wouldn't have continued long if not for the initial fanservice hook, cause many awesome stories r being thrown outta jump, and some other stuff (sorry naruto fans) is still ongoing.
    Then you might want to reconsider your definition of a bias.

    You are, criticizing a work without actually reading it, sorely based on general preconceived impression and presumption.
    Since you declare you don't read the series, the critique is not founded on actual content.

    There cannot be a better example of a bias, son.
    • bias - prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
    • prejudice - preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
    The part you are passing judgement without knowledge of the content is the prejudiced part.
    The part where you are disfavoring the work based on prejudiced information is the bias.

    English.

    And I make biased opinions all the time, especially when I give hard time to my best friend for favoring moe-content, without me taking any time to learn about the works he cherish, but I am fully self-aware of it.
    Last edited by Aohige_AP; January 2nd, 2014 at 05:51 AM.

  10. #7430

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    @kdom: pajama's art wasn't good like soma's though. well, ya, i'll be honest here and say i tried a few chapters....... it's not just that scene only. anyway, ya, fanservice and i don't get well :)

    @Toraish:
    disservice? nah... It's just that i hate fanservice. even if the story is so awesome.
    ya, i know about the ratings, of course. and that's exactly what i mean here; when a series starts off, the first few chapters can never give u any idea about an awesome story, so it ranking that high from the beginning means people got hooked on the fanservice.
    well, handling fanservice appropriately means fans who like the not-in-your-face fanservice will get hooked.

    @Aohige:
    lolz. ok, whatever. i'm not even thaat good with english.
    so ya, i think u're right. for me, anything with much pervy stuff is unreadable, and especially cause it gets that popular that i start questioning if there r many pervs around, cause i don't look at the story :)
    ya... sorry for being biased :)

  11. #7431

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetsukakashi View Post
    @Toraish:
    disservice? nah... It's just that i hate fanservice. even if the story is so awesome.
    ya, i know about the ratings, of course. and that's exactly what i mean here; when a series starts off, the first few chapters can never give u any idea about an awesome story, so it ranking that high from the beginning means people got hooked on the fanservice.
    well, handling fanservice appropriately means fans who like the not-in-your-face fanservice will get hooked.
    You know, this is exactly the point that I was trying to make there. Souma was so clearly good and thought-out within the first five chapters that the reason people got attracted to it and gave it a stupendous amount of votes in the questionnaires has nothing at all to do with fanservice.

    As a reader, you can't tell whether the entire plot is going to be good on the basis of just a few chapters, but you can tell whether the characters are going to have depth, whether the premise is interesting, whether the style of humor the series has resonates with you, whether the art is good, etc. And Souma had all of those aspects checked right from the get-go. The fanservice wasn't the thing that got people into it, it was the sensation of reading something good.
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  12. #7432

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toraish View Post
    You know, this is exactly the point that I was trying to make there. Souma was so clearly good and thought-out within the first five chapters that the reason people got attracted to it and gave it a stupendous amount of votes in the questionnaires has nothing at all to do with fanservice.

    As a reader, you can't tell whether the entire plot is going to be good on the basis of just a few chapters, but you can tell whether the characters are going to have depth, whether the premise is interesting, whether the style of humor the series has resonates with you, whether the art is good, etc. And Souma had all of those aspects checked right from the get-go. The fanservice wasn't the thing that got people into it, it was the sensation of reading something good.
    the first five, maybe, but not the first 1 or 2. and maybe that's ur opinion, but until it's proven the japanese voters think the same way (from the first chapter!), my biased opinion still makes me feel it's the drawn-well pervy stuff :) sorry.

  13. #7433

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    Let's not exagerate things either. Souma characters aren't that deep.

  14. #7434

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    Compared to those of other WSJ series? What Souma have you been reading?

    Souma himself, Tadokoro, and even Erina all give a whooping to most characters in Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Gintama, AssClass, Nisekoi, and many other shonen works that I've read on the depth department.
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  15. #7435

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    Now, unlike most people here, I can't really argue my opinions or back them up with knowledge on literary techniques or what not.
    So I can't say whether or not Souma characters are deep.

    But as an ordinary reader, I can say that they are enjoyable to follow, and that when I read Souma for the first time, I knew from the first chapter that Souma would be a great character to follow and read about.
    And the fanservice, while distracting at times, isn't enough to detract from the overall enjoyableness of the manga. In fact, at some points, it's kinda smart and funny.

  16. #7436

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    I have to also say that Shokugeki No Souma is one of those manga that I just can't wait to read when a new chapter is out. Its got a good story, I love the characters, the theme which is food just appeals to me and most importantly in my opinion, is the art. I really love the art and knowing that the artist used to make hentai kicks the whole fanservice thing up a notch(which is also good).
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  17. #7437

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    Let's not exagerate things either. Souma characters aren't that deep.
    I probably know what you mean but the way you phrased it rubs me the wrong way especially in the context of jump and to some extent manga in general.
    It's cause that's kind of the standard phrase you hear from some teen who's definition of "deep" begins and ends with "psychological torment".
    You ain't a person of much essence when you haven't survived cancer, went through being a child soldier and stood up to oppressive racism!!!
    Urgh...

    I'll just leave that I think Soma has really well realized characters that are fun and feel like people and has engaging character progression at least the ones that had the pleasure to receive the necessary screen time. One also should keep in mind that "deep" characters are not suited for every kind of story sometimes the story demands a point to be driven home that can only be done by a cardboard cutout.

    Also lol to anyone that thinks Soma is only about titillation seriously hasn't read it.
    Great humour, relatable characters a strong gimmick that could have been tired out after 10 chapters still finds ways to be entertaining after ~50.
    Clear character motivation, enjoyable character growth and good food(seriously who hates good food?).
    There's plenty of reasons to like it, if anything if you're in for Soma for the pervs I feel you're not getting that much out of it.
    Wasn't the guy drawing stuff that would serve that purpose better before?
    Last edited by DarthAsthma; January 2nd, 2014 at 07:16 AM.

  18. #7438

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toraish View Post
    Compared to those of other WSJ series? What Souma have you been reading?

    Souma himself, Tadokoro, and even Erina all give a whooping to most characters in Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Gintama, AssClass, Nisekoi, and many other shonen works that I've read on the depth department.
    that's just a personal opinion too. and plus, if we go but what u're saying, still, this couldn't have been felt from the first chapter or so to get it that high up.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItzWizz View Post
    I have to also say that Shokugeki No Souma is one of those manga that I just can't wait to read when a new chapter is out. Its got a good story, I love the characters, the theme which is food just appeals to me and most importantly in my opinion, is the art. I really love the art and knowing that the artist used to make hentai kicks the whole fanservice thing up a notch(which is also good).
    lolz. i know to some people pervy stuff doesn't matter, but that sentence is exactly what i've been saying since the start... and that's the majority of opinions i see on forums, manga scanlation sites, etc... and that's a big part of where my bias came from, i guess. i know this is just fans in the west, but still, fanservice love isn't restricted to areas.

  19. #7439

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    Deep characters in souma, will just spoil the manga. Period. The characters are ok as they are and changing them will just ruin the whole story. There some manga that don't mix well with deep characters and Souma is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetsukakashi View Post
    the first five, maybe, but not the first 1 or 2. and maybe that's ur opinion, but until it's proven the japanese voters think the same way (from the first chapter!), my biased opinion still makes me feel it's the drawn-well pervy stuff :) sorry.
    Hmmmmm, it sounds like that you think Souma is ecchi-crazy series like To Love-Ru.

    I suggest maybe you should try actually read the series rather than making the biased opinion with just impression.

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