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    No, there's no rating system for books.
    The only rating system is "Adults Only" which is only applied to porn. (seinen manga with sex is unrated)

    Also, when I was 8, I didn't read Jump - we had a lot more options for younger kids back then. Korokoro was the champion of pre-schoolers. Pretty sure I started reading Dr Slump and Kinnikuman around the age of 10. However, I was watching Jump-based cartoons on TV from much earlier age.
    Nowadays, I figure majority of 8 year olds still read Korokoro comic or some such, although I'm sure there are fair amount of WSJ readership.

    I think kids start getting into WSJ around the time they hit teens, and by the time they're into Jr. High, it's all WSJ.
    WSM is a bit more mature. I can't see any 8 year olds reading Shounen Magazine lol.

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    Hmm, tell me Aohige, do you think that, back in the day (say the 70's or 80's) WSJ was targeted towards a slightly older audience, or do you think the content was just more sporadic and censorship more lax?

    Cause on the one hand you had series like Dr. Slump or Kinnikuman, and on the other you had series like Hokuto no Ken, being published at the same time in the same magazine. And of course, even before that, they had some really dark stuff like Mazinger Z and Barefoot Gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    Hmm, tell me Aohige, do you think that, back in the day (say the 70's or 80's) WSJ was targeted towards a slightly older audience, or do you think the content was just more sporadic and censorship more lax?

    Cause on the one hand you had series like Dr. Slump or Kinnikuman, and on the other you had series like Hokuto no Ken, being published at the same time in the same magazine.
    I don't think they were targeted to older audience. It was always "Shounen" Jump after all.
    However, I think with the younger audience magazines getting decimated from the market, Jump has simply "broadened" the demographics in the later years.

    And Hokuto no Ken, despite its violence, was definitely still a shounen manga.
    I enjoyed watching it as a teen with my dad lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    I don't think they were targeted to older audience. It was always "Shounen" Jump after all.
    However, I think with the younger audience magazines getting decimated from the market, Jump has simply "broadened" the demographics in the later years.
    So you're saying that, back in the day, 10 or 11 year olds probably wouldn't have read WSJ as many do today? And, I assume, as a result, this led to WSJ toning down its series somewhat?

    I'll I'm saying is that there does seem to be an apparent toning down of the magazine over the years; I'm just trying to get to the heart of the matter and understand how the magazine and, perhaps, the demographic itself has changed over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    So you're saying that, back in the day, 10 or 11 year olds probably wouldn't have read WSJ as many do today? And, I assume, as a result, this led to WSJ toning down its series somewhat?

    I'll I'm saying is that there does seem to be an apparent toning down of the magazine over the years; I'm just trying to get to the heart of the matter and understand how the magazine and, perhaps, the demographic itself has changed over the years.
    The censorship is a natural progress, not necessarily due to demo-graphical change.

    You see, back in the 80s there were dozens of manga magazines aimed for the 1st~6th graders.
    But vast majority of them got crushed over the years, and there's hardly any left. Korokoro is pretty much the only left.
    Due to shounen manga anime adaptations being enjoyed by kids from early age, entry to the shounen manga became earlier.

    Market does not create vaccum. It is filled by something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    The censorship is a natural progress, not necessarily due to demo-graphical change.
    Now, when you say censorship, do you mean censorship laws or the general internal rules of the magazine?

    You see, back in the 80s there were dozens of manga magazines aimed for the 1st~6th graders.
    But vast majority of them got crushed over the years, and there's hardly any left. Korokoro is pretty much the only left.
    Due to shounen manga anime adaptations being enjoyed by kids from early age, entry to the shounen manga became earlier.

    Market does not create vaccum. It is filled by something else.
    Right, but my point is when you incorporate a younger audience you have consider censorship and age appropriateness for the entire magazine really. This isn't like television where parents can turn the TV off during the "adult block". When a kid has a magazine, they have free range to everything in that magazine all at once.

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    No, PTA complaints and self-censorship.

    Jump's regulation has more to do with how massively huge it has become, rather than inclusion of slightly younger audiences.
    The more out there, the more eyes. Once Jump became the king of manga magazines, it became natural for them to tone down mature content.

    Likewise, minor Shounen magazines gets away with far more than Jump.

    I mean, think about it, Nobodyman... if what you say was the sole reason for increase of censorship, it would apply to the other shounen magazines as well. Weekly Shounen Sunday is known to enjoy slightly younger demographics just like Jump.
    But the truth is, Jump has the highest amount of censorship compared to Sunday, Magazine, and Champion.
    This is because, quite simply, Jump sells more than all the other three combined.

    In fact, the amount of censorship between the four magazine is directly correlated to how much it sells.
    Jump > Magazine > Sunday > Champion.
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    Like I said, I'm just trying to understand how this all works.

    To me, as an American, it seems odd that there appears to be a minimal amount of formal censorship in regard to comics in Japan. Like, American comics have their own rating system. Heck, even manga licensed here in the States have their own ratings (One Piece is T for Teen, HxH is T+ for Older Teens).

    I mean, why should the lesser known magazines get away with it just because people aren't watching them? What if, despite WSJ's popularity, no one ever said anything? Would they continue to market stuff like JJBA to 10-year-olds?

    Heck, has HxH managed to turn any heads now that the anime has reached the Ant arc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    To me, as an American, it seems odd that there appears to be a minimal amount of formal censorship in regard to comics in Japan. Like, American comics have their own rating system. Heck, even manga licensed here in the States have their own ratings (One Piece is T for Teen, HxH is T+ for Older Teens).
    You mean like how the Comics Code nearly destroyed the American comic book market back in the 60s?
    It was clearly not healthy.

    What if, despite WSJ's popularity, no one ever said anything? Would they continue to market stuff like JJBA to 10-year-olds?
    Likely, yes. Changes happen because of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    You mean like how the Comics Code nearly destroyed the American comic book market back in the 60s?
    It was clearly not healthy.
    Not saying it was necessarily good, just saying we had it. And DC and Marvel still have their own ratings system today.

    Well, this has been quite informative. I personally feel there should be better regulation than "test the waters and back off when the parents complain", but far be it from me to tell the multi-million yen industry from another country how to do its job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    Like I said, I'm just trying to understand how this all works.

    To me, as an American, it seems odd that there appears to be a minimal amount of formal censorship in regard to comics in Japan.
    The comic code hasn't meant anything for years, and anyone throwing an age label onto their trades was just trying match what Tokyopop did when it started releasing manga here and became a huge instant hit. I don't know that anyone actually notices or cares about the label much, any more than parents do with violent video games.

    Movies the ratings still get noticed some, but that's mostly just due to R always being seen as gore and boobs, the distinction between PG and PG-13 is well... silly. Things that would have been R 20 years ago are PG today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbyBevard View Post
    The comic code hasn't meant anything for years,
    Fine. Fuck it.

    and anyone throwing an age label onto their trades was just trying match what Tokyopop did when it started releasing manga here and became a huge instant hit. I don't know that anyone actually notices or cares about the label much, any more than parents do with violent video games.
    I'm not sure I agree. Sounds like what you're describing is parents who just don't give a damn what their children watch/play.

    Movies the ratings still get noticed some, but that's mostly just due to R always being seen as gore and boobs, the distinction between PG and PG-13 is well... silly. Things that would have been R 20 years ago are PG today.
    Again, not sure I agree. I always felt there was a distinction between PG and PG-13, and I always paid attention to the ratings as a kid. But let's hear what Roger Ebert has to say on the subject.

    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/th...ving-dead-1967

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    Yes because of the magic of furigana.

    Edit: Or rather when they've learned hirigana and katakana dunno when that happens in the japanese school system, but basically the barrier to reading for a native speaker of japanese is way lower than to a learner of the language.
    Did you miss the part where I specifically mentioned mentioned kanji? Pay attention, dude.
    I bet it's pretty hard to find something published in Japan that lacks the basic alphabets but what sets them apart is how much kanji they have.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbyBevard View Post
    Most jump series have the simple characters in there along with the more complex ones. Plus, there's always having older siblings read to you.

    They're certainly watching the anime versions of titles by then.
    I was forgetting those "little translations" they usually have on top or on the side of the kanji. That does indeed break more barriers.
    But like I said, betwen watching the anime and reading the magazine there are still a couple of steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    No, there's no rating system for books.
    The only rating system is "Adults Only" which is only applied to porn. (seinen manga with sex is unrated)

    Also, when I was 8, I didn't read Jump - we had a lot more options for younger kids back then. Korokoro was the champion of pre-schoolers. Pretty sure I started reading Dr Slump and Kinnikuman around the age of 10. However, I was watching Jump-based cartoons on TV from much earlier age.
    Nowadays, I figure majority of 8 year olds still read Korokoro comic or some such, although I'm sure there are fair amount of WSJ readership.

    I think kids start getting into WSJ around the time they hit teens, and by the time they're into Jr. High, it's all WSJ.
    WSM is a bit more mature. I can't see any 8 year olds reading Shounen Magazine lol.
    Yeah, this was the idea I had. Kids start to read Jump after primary school, after having the reading/writting bases pretty cemented down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FolhaS View Post
    Did you miss the part where I specifically mentioned mentioned kanji? Pay attention, dude.
    I bet it's pretty hard to find something published in Japan that lacks the basic alphabets but what sets them apart is how much kanji they have.
    He already answered that question in the very quote you quoted him.
    That's what furigana is for.

    Furigana is kana overlayed above kanji, so young readers can read kanji they normally can't.



    "pay attention dude" indeed.
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    Thank God for furigana.

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    Furigana really are lifesavers for tankoubon collecters like me

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    a complete bastard if you like old series, though, seeing as they aren't always there in new editions


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    He already answered that question in the very quote you quoted him.
    That's what furigana is for.

    Furigana is kana overlayed above kanji, so young readers can read kanji they normally can't.

    http://i.imgur.com/mIzP2i4.jpg

    "pay attention dude" indeed.
    Altough I didn't ask any question I did confuse furigana with one of the simple alphabets (hiragana, katakana).
    Like I said, I had forgotten about the "little translations" next to the kanji.
    Sorry about the mess.

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    Jump #26 (27/05) :
    Smoky B.B. (Cover & Lead Color Page, New Series, 54 pg.)
    Assassination Classroom
    Isobe Iso Hyoue Monogatari (One Shot)
    Mutou Black (Color Page, 25 pg.)
    Naruto
    Toriko
    Shokugeki no Souma (Color Page)
    Kuroko no Basket
    Soul Catcher(S) (23 pg.)
    PSI Kusuo Saiki
    Bleach
    Owari no Seraph - Bangaihen (Color Page, One Shot, 32 pg.)
    Sket Dance
    Nisekoi
    Hq!!
    Beelzebub
    Gintama
    Kochikame
    World Trigger
    Koisuru Edison
    Cross Manage
    One Piece (Absent)
    Hunter x Hunter (Hiatus)

    #27:
    Cover & Lead CP: Nisekoi
    CP: Naruto, Smoky B.B., Yunihei-sama Z!! (One Shot)
    Absent: One Piece
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    How is Edison above CM. How.

    Poor WT. :C

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