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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
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    I guess it's pretty much a middle-of-the-road Star Wars movie, not that I was expecting much. I'm still confused as to how Palpatine survived being thrown down a shaft and the Death Star exploding. But hey, at least we got another great Ian McDiarmid performance out of it.
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    As Cyan alluded to, he sort of like...willed himself back into life with the Dark Side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
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    As Cyan alluded to, he sort of like...willed himself back into life with the Dark Side
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    And if that's the case, how we can be sure he's ever dead ever? Well, I guess we'll just assume he's dead for reals this time, unless they decide to make episodes X-XII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
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    And if that's the case, how we can be sure he's ever dead ever? Well, I guess we'll just assume he's dead for reals this time, unless they decide to make episodes X-XII.
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    *shrugs*

    I recall in the EU, this was an issue, and like they had to throw him into the Force equivalent of a black hole or something. Though EU!Palpatine was one step away from being the full-blown Anti Christ of Star Wars.

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    Not gonna lie, Episode IX was pretty stupid. But at the same time, I really loved it. It felt like a fitting conclusion to the saga overall in terms of story and spectacle. It did take some risky maneuvers, and while I wouldn't argue with anyone who hated those maneuvers, I personally felt like they all helped to strengthen the conclusion in some way rather than drag it down.

    That being said, I do have a couple issues with the film, which I'll delve into below.

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    By far the weakest part of it was its characters. The only ones who felt particularly compelling to me were 3PO, Leia, Lando, and Palpatine. Perhaps Luke too. The new, major characters were all rather limited. Let's start with Rey. Her character remains thin, so it's pretty hard to emotionally get behind her power and her fights. The impact of her character on the fandom will probably be limited mainly to inspiring little girls. And I'm totally happy for those little girls, I just wish she could inspire me to that degree.

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    Was Rey being a Palpatine actually important to the movie? It did impact Sheev's approach to her in the climax, but ultimately her thin character didn't really convince me that this was super important...or that her becoming a member of the Skywalker family at the end was a super nice moment.


    Ultimately, this film is driven 90% by its plot, and while I appreciate that the first half of the movie was focused on the main trio working together for the first time, that much focus on plot meant it was impossible to give them interactions of the same quality as the original trilogy. Poe used to be a spice dealer, Finn...might be getting cucked by Ben Solo? That's all we got to know. It sure would have been nice to have them together in the previous two movies.

    Also, I don't think there was much purpose in creating Jannah who hung around Finn in the last half. Why not replace her with Rose...a character who's already been well established, who could do all of the things Jannah could (with her experience riding the Canto Bight beasts potentially coming into play to lead the ground attack on the Star Destroyer), and who could have used some good moments after her really dumb "saving what we love" moment at the end of TLJ. But alas, Rose was a minor character who still seemed rather obsessed with keeping Finn alive above all else.

    Hux being the spy was rather obvious but it was honestly hilarious how petty his motivations were. Long live the King of Pettiness, short though your reign may have been.


    Again, if you thought the progression of this plot was super stupid, if you thought this film was a slap in the face to The Last Jedi or could not atone for its sins or the ones of the sequel trilogy in general, I won't argue with that. This move didn't stun me with its story...but at the end of the day, it was satisfying. Having really liked Star Wars since age 9 I'm glad to have gotten the opportunity to see a new batch of films in the theater. Seeing the series logo blare across the screen before reading the scrolling intro text is something that doesn't ever get old. This movie made the 9 year old in me really happy and I honestly couldn't have asked for more.

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    While I was a bit "meh" on Kylo resurrecting Rey with The Force, it did bring up an interesting thought. Anakin turned to the Dark Side in the prequels because he thought it was the only way to save Padme. Instead he ended up killing her and thousands if not millions of other people. Ben Solo kept the woman he loved from dying by following the Light Side's principles and sacrificing his own life for her. You could probably make this argument for Vader in Episode 6 too, although this instance was a lot more centered around The Force.



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    regardless of what you think of the new movies at least we can all agree that there better than the prequels (1 through 3)

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    I could see that as individual movies but Im not so sure as a whole.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    regardless of what you think of the new movies at least we can all agree that there better than the prequels (1 through 3)
    I don't agree with that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    I don't agree with that at all.
    I thought the prequels were universally hated, are these new ones really that bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    I thought the prequels were universally hated, are these new ones really that bad?
    The prequels are internally consistent and know what story they are trying to tell.
    The new stuff is jumbled and seems to constantly be switching focus.

    The sequels are a clear story with a clear vision told in boring way and with elements people dont like. The sequels are string of three each with the own individual strengths but that dont fit together. Both the prequels and orginals are clear trilogies. One is good and the other is considered bad but they are trilogies but I struggle to give this name to the last ones.

    Three fine movies that don't fit together or three bad movies that tell one clear story. Which is better is everyone's game.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    regardless of what you think of the new movies at least we can all agree that there better than the prequels (1 through 3)
    The prequels are badly written but are thematically consistent as a whole, gave great castings in Sheev and Obi-Wan, and lead to the creation of two beloved instances of animated spin-off material (Genndy's and Filoni's). AND ALL OF THOSE HOT MEMES.

    The sequel's were a inconsistent mess of direction, the new characters have very little charisma to fully lead the movies, the First Order and the New Republic seem to be in a inconsistent positions (wouldn't the first order be the resistance of former empire member against the rise of the new republic, never mind the logic the nazi power imagery was more important in the end), the kept playing too safe (seriously again with the two star destroying super weapons), and had a second movie that set-up nothing for the the final instance.

    Of course, that's MY opinion. The sequel trilogy also had it's cool moments and scenes, but for me they didn't jive enough to compensate the bad points.
    In the end the prequels vs sequels will be a matter of taste and opinion, meaning it's subjective to the one watching to pick the one that suits him better.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    I thought the prequels were universally hated, are these new ones really that bad?
    Consensus will never cover everyone and on the internet it might be vastly overstated. As for me, I much prefer the prequels and originals to the new trilogy. I was very interested in the characters (Finn, Rey, and Kylo) after The Force Awakens, but grew to dislike or stop caring about them completely in Last Jedi. Rise of Skywalker is just a mess for me and makes me want to forget any of these films happened. The prequels have lots of issues, but I enjoyed the story of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine a whole lot, and enjoy all three movies for what they are. Plus, both of the Clone Wars make Revenge of the Sith so much better every time I watch it. Rebels is good, too, but not as good as The Clone Wars.

    Maybe most importantly, the prequels felt like new and interesting parts of a story I was already invested in, whereas the New Trilogy feel like worse retreads of old stories that seem to want to spoil the old stuff. Not for me. (I understand that lots of people felt Anakin's portrayal made them dislike Vader, but that's not my opinion.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    regardless of what you think of the new movies at least we can all agree that there better than the prequels (1 through 3)
    Definitely not... if the original trilogy are the classic Mario games (Mario Bros 1-3 and World), the prequels are the NSMB games and episodes 7-9 are crappy mobile ripoffs.

    They don't even feel like Star Wars to me.

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    Wow never thought I'd see this many people defending the prequels

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    For all the prequels' faults, at least it felt like Lucas was trying to do something different with Star Wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    Wow never thought I'd see this many people defending the prequels
    It's not so much about the prequels it just that those three movies dont really make a trilogy. The prequels might be considered bad but at least they felt like chapters of the same story.
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    Eh, I rewatched the prequels before Episode 7 and it was almost torture for me to sit through. They honestly felt like emotionless cash-grabs to me, without the heart and soul of the original trilogy. None of the characters grabbed me, they completely ruined Vader for me, the dialogue was atrocious, the special effects have aged pretty badly...ehh. The Force Awakens, at the very least, truly captured the feeling of Star Wars for me and made me excited for the franchise again. I do have to rewatch TLJ and TRoS before I can compare them to the prequels fairly, but right now, I'd rank them above the prequels despite all their flaws.

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    It's the edgy thing to say now that the prequels were actually good and only boomers hate them.

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    Attack of the Clones is still the shittiest Star Wars movie, there's been no movement on that front.

    Ian McDiarmid is carrying Revenge on his back, because no one else in the movie seems to be either having fun or wanting to be there. Frank Oz gave more of a shit about his one scene in Last Jedi than he did for all three prequels.

    Watching Clone Wars actually makes Revenge worse because all the characters you learned to care about in Clone Wars (except for Palpatine) suddenly suck in Revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    It's the edgy thing to say now that the prequels were actually good and only boomers hate them.
    I hate to devalue (is that even a word?) anybody's opinion, but I have to agree with this a little. A couple of years ago, everyone was hating on the prequels and saying George Lucas ruined Star Wars, but suddenly, now that there is a new scapegoat in town, they weren't all that bad and George Lucas was at least trying something interesting? It just seems a little fickle to me.

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    The Last Jedi was trying something interesting.

    Just a shame that the fandom and JJ utterly rejected all of it.

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