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    An "anime style" Star Wars? Sounds cool, but I wonder if that is legit anime or last Airbender anime. We'll see.

    Putting it years before Force Awakens sounds good, and they probably have an endpoint in sight as well. If the First Order is not going to get the backstory in the movies, there is no one I trust more than Filoni to fill in the gaps.
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  2. #2102

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    Solo's review embargo is up and it's getting solid, but not stellar reviews.

    As of this post, it's got 71% with 70 reviews counted.

    That's actually kindof a relief considering the dumpsterfire the behind the scenes turmoil had me expecting.
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  3. #2103

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    I'll take "Good, solid, but not great" over another Last Jedi fan backlash. That was probably this movie's best hope.

    And I loved the Last Jedi.
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  4. #2104

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    Solid is about what I was hoping for, I suppose. This is easily the Star Wars movie I've been looking forward to the least, since nothing about it really seems to capture the imagination. Star Wars is supposed to feel special, you know?

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  5. #2105

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    If Donald Glover can't unite the critics into an all-praising hivemind, I doubt this movie will leave even the splash Rogue One did. Are there other Star Wars movies outside of the triologies planned? I've heard something about a Bobba Fett movie, but it sounds mostly like a meme.

  6. #2106

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    I've been worried about Solo from the day I heard about it, and comments from a friend who works at Disney didn't help. Seems like it was kind of a mess for a while, but perhaps all the reshoots have helped. I just think it was not a movie that should have been made.

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  7. #2107

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    Last Jedi is funny because when JJ does his predictable and safe retread for movie 9, and we have a whole mess of forgettable 1-off side movies, it means that in 20 years LJ going to be "the good one that took risks" just like Empire is now.


    Most of the current complaints are based around it not doing what people had been expecting it to be for years, preconceptions, and not knowing how its all going to tie into the backend.

    But if we'd had the same sort of timeskip where we got old craggy Luke 3 years after RotJ, rather than 35 years, it would have been more accepted without decades of people deciding they knew what was best for Luke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strooger View Post
    If Donald Glover can't unite the critics into an all-praising hivemind, I doubt this movie will leave even the splash Rogue One did. Are there other Star Wars movies outside of the triologies planned? I've heard something about a Bobba Fett movie, but it sounds mostly like a meme.
    They haven't announced titles because they don't want to distract from the current set, but there's going to be 1 a year for perpetuity. Heck, we're getting 2 within a 6 month period this go around.

    Episode 9 is obviously a given, Boba Fett is strongly rumored, and Rian Johnson is supposed to get an entire trilogy.

    Hopefully they move away from the SKywalker line at... some point.
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  8. #2108

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicDebris View Post
    I've been worried about Solo from the day I heard about it, and comments from a friend who works at Disney didn't help. Seems like it was kind of a mess for a while, but perhaps all the reshoots have helped. I just think it was not a movie that should have been made.
    According to the production staff, 70% of the film was done by Ron Howard; it's not even really fair to him to call it reshoots at that point.
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  9. #2109

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    Robby is right. In about 20 years, The Last Jedi will be remembered as the Star Wars that dared to take risks and shake up the franchise. A fair argument could be said that Rogue One did the same thing but played it more fan friendly, but I still think that is how it's gonna go.

    Man, as someone who grew up with the prequels and adores them warts and all (I will always maintain that pre TFA that The Phantom Menace was the last true good Star Wars movie) I am more grateful than ever I wasn't raised to worship the OT, if this is what it has turned fans into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    According to the production staff, 70% of the film was done by Ron Howard; it's not even really fair to him to call it reshoots at that point.
    Wow, that much, huh? It'll be interesting to see the comparison in special features later on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmetal-lich View Post
    Robby is right. In about 20 years, The Last Jedi will be remembered as the Star Wars that dared to take risks and shake up the franchise. A fair argument could be said that Rogue One did the same thing but played it more fan friendly, but I still think that is how it's gonna go.

    Man, as someone who grew up with the prequels and adores them warts and all (I will always maintain that pre TFA that The Phantom Menace was the last true good Star Wars movie) I am more grateful than ever I wasn't raised to worship the OT, if this is what it has turned fans into.
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    I didn't like the prequels, but I really can't stand all these people my age that feel the need to boycott the franchise now and write petitions to remake the movie because #NotMyLuke or whatever. If you don't like it, I absolutely understand, but I don't like the mentality these days fans have of having ownership over properties.

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    In 20 years time The Last Jedi will be either be forgotten or remembered as the one that dared to take risks and shake things up, and fell flat on its face in the process of doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baby-boo View Post
    In 20 years time The Last Jedi will be either be forgotten or remembered as the one that dared to take risks and shake things up, and fell flat on its face in the process of doing so.
    Considering Star Wars has had staying power over the past 41 years and there are a half dozen projects currently in the works, I'm leaning towards the latter option.

  13. #2113

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    Quote Originally Posted by baby-boo View Post
    In 20 years time The Last Jedi will be either be forgotten or remembered as the one that dared to take risks and shake things up, and fell flat on its face in the process of doing so.
    Or a grim reminder that just because you can take risks doesn't necessarily mean you should. Especially if you don't have the skill to actually pull it off.
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    Last Jedi was the most safe, least risk taking movie I saw that year. Most of the "risky" decisions were made by a selfish new director who wanted to make a name for himself and make his film the final all be all of the franchise no matter how much it hurt the story in the long run.

    Rey's parents being nobodies was just him wrapping up a stupid cliche plotline he didn't want to deal with.

    Same with killing off Snoke, never mind that his backstory was actually something that really should have been addressed.

    The leader of the rebellion might actually be corrupt showing how good and evil can be found on both si-oh never mind she's secretly good and Poe's treasonous mutiny gets a slap on the wrist and an "Oh you...."

    The rebel alliance might be buying from the same shady dealers as the First Order, oh no, look at this nuance that....goes nowhere.

    The grand plot is still rebels vs empire and ends as rebels vs empire even though the First order should technically be the rebels but Disney wanted Rebels vs Empires.

    An old wise mentor having flaws that led to the corruption of a young Jedi but redeeming himself and dying in a heroic, noble way, gee where have I seen that before. I mean, I personally loved the execution but there's absolutely nothing subversive about the idea.

    The shame of it is I SEE where they could have truly been subversive but dropped the ball in order to play it safe. Like hey, what if instead of Rebels vs Empire, it was New Republic vs First Order and what if both sides where corrupt and this is explored and actually goes somewhere.What if we dropped the whole absurdly long casino segment which, while fun, drags the momentum of the story to a halt and accomplishes nothing except for a cheesy scene with Rose about how freedom is good. What if Finn was actually relevant in the plot again where the writers actually know what to do with him instead of giving him sloppy Phasma seconds and teasing that he was going to sacrifice himself for the greater good but copping out at the last second because him not being in the third movie is too unsafe so they have Rose do the most moronic thing possible because only love will win this war (this said while the doors of their last base being exploded, cue laugh track), never mind they only got as far as they did because of the sacrifices made by countless other people before her including her own damn sister (see if this were framed as a tragedy of how one soldier being broken to the point she could not take one more loss, it'd be fine but it was framed as sweet and positive).

    What if....and bear with me here, Rey actually joined Kylo Ren to end the war and the Dark and Light side alike. Only that didn't involve killing all the rebels (because why would it?) but actually brokering a peace treaty between both sides. The challenges would involve dealing with the extremist elements from both sides as well as trying to soothe years if not decades of animosity. It'd be an intriguing idea with clear thematic relevance to current socio-political events. And what if Luke, jaded by decades of absolutism, tries to kill Kylo Ren not believing he could change and thinking the whole idea is a trap to corrupt Rey. And Rey and Kylo Ren would be forced to kill Luke because it'd be the only way to finally get true peace in the galaxy. Because what's more interesting than a former paragon of good acting in the antagonistic "evil" role because he legitimately believes he's doing the right thing. The ultimate irony that Luke Skywalker, the man who brought peace to the galaxy the first time is the ultimate enemy to it, the second time. It'd do wonders in clearing away all the absolutism bullshit of light and dark in the writing of the story and craft a tale of nuance, misunderstandings and how life isn't usually as simple as killing a bad guy but about working together with other people, people you don't necessarily like or trust, to ensure a stable and peaceful era all for the sake of the greater go-oh what's that? Last Jedi ended and we're back to Rebels vs Empire again?

    ...

    Man look at all that risk taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLC View Post
    Last Jedi was the most safe, least risk taking movie I saw that year. Most of the "risky" decisions were made by a selfish new director who wanted to make a name for himself and make his film the final all be all of the franchise no matter how much it hurt the story in the long run.

    Rey's parents being nobodies was just him wrapping up a stupid cliche plotline he didn't want to deal with.

    Same with killing off Snoke, never mind that his backstory was actually something that really should have been addressed.

    The leader of the rebellion might actually be corrupt showing how good and evil can be found on both si-oh never mind she's secretly good and Poe's treasonous mutiny gets a slap on the wrist and an "Oh you...."

    The rebel alliance might be buying from the same shady dealers as the First Order, oh no, look at this nuance that....goes nowhere.

    The grand plot is still rebels vs empire and ends as rebels vs empire even though the First order should technically be the rebels but Disney wanted Rebels vs Empires.

    An old wise mentor having flaws that led to the corruption of a young Jedi but redeeming himself and dying in a heroic, noble way, gee where have I seen that before. I mean, I personally loved the execution but there's absolutely nothing subversive about the idea.

    The shame of it is I SEE where they could have truly been subversive but dropped the ball in order to play it safe. Like hey, what if instead of Rebels vs Empire, it was New Republic vs First Order and what if both sides where corrupt and this is explored and actually goes somewhere.What if we dropped the whole absurdly long casino segment which, while fun, drags the momentum of the story to a halt and accomplishes nothing except for a cheesy scene with Rose about how freedom is good. What if Finn was actually relevant in the plot again where the writers actually know what to do with him instead of giving him sloppy Phasma seconds and teasing that he was going to sacrifice himself for the greater good but copping out at the last second because him not being in the third movie is too unsafe so they have Rose do the most moronic thing possible because only love will win this war (this said while the doors of their last base being exploded, cue laugh track), never mind they only got as far as they did because of the sacrifices made by countless other people before her including her own damn sister (see if this were framed as a tragedy of how one soldier being broken to the point she could not take one more loss, it'd be fine but it was framed as sweet and positive).

    What if....and bear with me here, Rey actually joined Kylo Ren to end the war and the Dark and Light side alike. Only that didn't involve killing all the rebels (because why would it?) but actually brokering a peace treaty between both sides. The challenges would involve dealing with the extremist elements from both sides as well as trying to soothe years if not decades of animosity. It'd be an intriguing idea with clear thematic relevance to current socio-political events. And what if Luke, jaded by decades of absolutism, tries to kill Kylo Ren not believing he could change and thinking the whole idea is a trap to corrupt Rey. And Rey and Kylo Ren would be forced to kill Luke because it'd be the only way to finally get true peace in the galaxy. Because what's more interesting than a former paragon of good acting in the antagonistic "evil" role because he legitimately believes he's doing the right thing. The ultimate irony that Luke Skywalker, the man who brought peace to the galaxy the first time is the ultimate enemy to it, the second time. It'd do wonders in clearing away all the absolutism bullshit of light and dark in the writing of the story and craft a tale of nuance, misunderstandings and how life isn't usually as simple as killing a bad guy but about working together with other people, people you don't necessarily like or trust, to ensure a stable and peaceful era all for the sake of the greater go-oh what's that? Last Jedi ended and we're back to Rebels vs Empire again?

    ...

    Man look at all that risk taking.

    It is just a shame that legit and reasonable critiques of the movie (which there are) have been drowned out by the insane yelling of hyper-fanboys pissed off that the movie they spent years writing in their heads wasnt' the one that ended up on screen.

    The internet and the age of instant gut reaction have removed the middle ground from the discussion. If you have issues with a film your lumped in with the most extreme and hateful people, while if you liked the movie, you're thrown in with the prog/left/sjw/whatever crowd.

    If the last years of fanboy freakouts: Star Wars, Mass Effect, and soon to be Game of Thrones and One Piece (it's coming, just you fucking wait) have shown me anything; it is that we need to have a greater emotional distance from what we love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmetal-lich View Post
    It is just a shame that legit and reasonable critiques of the movie (which there are) have been drowned out by the insane yelling of hyper-fanboys pissed off that the movie they spent years writing in their heads wasnt' the one that ended up on screen.

    The internet and the age of instant gut reaction have removed the middle ground from the discussion. If you have issues with a film your lumped in with the most extreme and hateful people, while if you liked the movie, you're thrown in with the prog/left/sjw/whatever crowd.

    If the last years of fanboy freakouts: Star Wars, Mass Effect, and soon to be Game of Thrones and One Piece (it's coming, just you fucking wait) have shown me anything; it is that we need to have a greater emotional distance from what we love.
    Also very much this. There's a lot of perfectly valid criticism about TLJ but the vast majority of criticism that I do get from people is just stupid stuff like
    "why did they have to kill the hot sister and leave us with the dumpy one"
    "the master codebreaker should have been Lando"
    "How dare they allow us to think Rey might be related to someone we know but she's not"
    "Why is Kylo shirtless, this isn't Twilight"
    "they're trying to be too PC and push liberal agendas"

    There should be more talk just about things like..., how some characters are just not fully developed as they could be and how some decisions made by characters seem forced and unnatural.

    I'm just all for a movie being allowed to fall on its face rather than completely straight jacket the story writing to fit within what the long time fans expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicDebris
    There should be more talk just about things like..., how some characters are just not fully developed as they could be and how some decisions made by characters seem forced and unnatural.
    The film's reputation is also being buoyed by Prequel Derangement Syndrome where there are a lot of problems with the film that are handwaved away honestly just because people hate George Lucas so much. So you get things where people write reviews talking about how "We've never seen the heroes fail in a Star Wars film before!" which ignores not only The Empire Strikes Back but the entire central point of the Prequel Trilogy.

    Plus a ton of stuff that's really a complete mess when you look at it closely but JUST LOOKS SO COOL YOU GUYS like the Throne Room fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by TLC
    Last Jedi was the most safe, least risk taking movie I saw that year. Most of the "risky" decisions were made by a selfish new director who wanted to make a name for himself and make his film the final all be all of the franchise no matter how much it hurt the story in the long run.
    The Force Awakens took a lot more real risks than The Last Jedi did; most of Johnson's risky moves basically amounted to throwing away things Abrams set up and having all of the characters act like complete idiots for the sake of the plot.
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  18. #2118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    The Force Awakens took a lot more real risks than The Last Jedi did
    I generally detest TLJ, but mind expanding on this? Can't think of much outside the casting of the two main heroes.
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    Star Wars isn't under my fandom umbrella so in general I have less of an investment in where it goes. Basically I watch it cause visually it's often pretty cool. I want to stay meme current.

    I really didn't like the prequels, there was just so much that seemed wonky to me to say I enjoyed them. Although now I barely remember the specifics. But having a new set of movies after the original I find interesting to watch. Mostly it's interesting to see what does hard fans like and don't like. Which seems to be very little either way lol.

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    I do think TLJ took risks.

    Now was some of that the director (and I fucking WEEP for Ryan Johnston who is going to have to spend the rest of his life explaining this movie) throwing stuff out that was maybe, sorta set up? Possibly. But others I thought were interesting creative choices. Taking Luke Skywalker and making him a bitter old Vietnam-era vet was a VERY ballsy move, and I thought it was a stark rebuke of the "everything worked out post ROTJ" expanded universe Luke people had for decades. I enjoyed it, it made sense to me, but I FULLY understand why some people did not like it. That's ok.
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