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  1. #1661

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    -_- Don't know why they don't just turn this into the "Bash the Naruto manga here!" thread. Seriously, that's pratically all I read here anymore is just bashing of it, other than people like TO, who are members of the NF forums. It just gets annoying and repeditive after a while.
    :party: :party: :party:

    Not even I would've had the Balls to say something like that although I did try to defend the manga awhile back in this thread (though I think my comments fell on deaf ears.)

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    エッチなのはいけないと思います! Malintex_Terek's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by narutoandichigo
    -_- Don't know why they don't just turn this into the "Bash the Naruto manga here!" thread. Seriously, that's pratically all I read here anymore is just bashing of it, other than people like TO, who are members of the NF forums. It just gets annoying and repeditive after a while.
    If you do not like it, HERE is a nice forum where you can go to get all the Naruto praise you want. I think criticism is a banning offense there.

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    We're bashing Naruto because it's fallen; you [fan] guys might not admit it, but Naruto isn't as interesting/unique as during the Chuunin Exam and Rasengan Arc. Heck, even the Sound Four/Five had me going for a while.

    ...but, this? It's almost as if Kishimoto re-engineered his vision for the series. It's a pseudo-DBZ now, and we've all seen that and people nowadays love to bash DBZ. So, Kishimoto takes DBZ and puts a little sugar on it and people claim it's the biggest thing in the world.

    Most of us were once hardcore fans of Naruto, too. Arlong Park isn't biased towards One Piece; if anything, we're moderates, because we're quick to bash Oda for making an unconventional decisions. I see Naruto as getting progressively worse and worse, but I'm not going to deliberately lower my standard of expectation for the series just because Kishimoto enchanted me oh-so-long-ago.

  3. #1663

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek
    If you do not like it, HERE is a nice forum where you can go to get all the Naruto praise you want. I think criticism is a banning offense there.

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    We're bashing Naruto because it's fallen; you [fan] guys might not admit it, but Naruto isn't as interesting/unique as during the Chuunin Exam and Rasengan Arc. Heck, even the Sound Four/Five had me going for a while.

    ...but, this? It's almost as if Kishimoto re-engineered his vision for the series. It's a pseudo-DBZ now, and we've all seen that and people nowadays love to bash DBZ. So, Kishimoto takes DBZ and puts a little sugar on it and people claim it's the biggest thing in the world.

    Most of us were once hardcore fans of Naruto, too. Arlong Park isn't biased towards One Piece; if anything, we're moderates, because we're quick to bash Oda for making an unconventional decisions. I see Naruto as getting progressively worse and worse, but I'm not going to deliberately lower my standard of expectation for the series just because Kishimoto enchanted me oh-so-long-ago.
    The NF forums are down anyways...
    And just because I still enjoy the series, and don't go running around looking for every fault in it, doesn't make me a fanboy of the series. There are some people who don't like One Piece but they don't go running around calling us all One Piece fanboys/girls of the series when we actually try to talk about it in a positive light. I enjoy the series. You don't. It's as simple as that.

    And I could do the same complaining with One Piece if I wanted to (which I don't and I don't mean the following)....
    "Zomg, Robin cried! She has to stop being so emotional!" for "Zomg, Sakura's crying for Naruto. Lamezors!". Character development on both ends (for Sakura, it's her realationship with Naruto).

    And Naruto's finally doing what a Jinchuuriki does; tap into it's chakra and use it's powers. I don't see how this is so unexpected and new. And at least, unlike the SSJ system, there are actual downsides to KN's powerups. Once Naruto gets 4 tails out, the healing his body goes through will shorten his lifespan, like Tsunade's Genesis rebirth. The worse that happened with DBZ was that Goku could only stay in SSJ3 for a short amount of time when he was on Earth. And, as I recall, in the DBZ manga Goku grew out of the bersek Ozaru (monkey-form) thing. Naruto's growing into it and whenever he goes into KN4 or above, there's always a risk of him hurting his comrades. In fact, Naruto hit Sakura in this chapter, It'll be interesting to see where that goes with his development.

    P.S. No, I don't care if I get banned from here. This thread just left a very bad taste in my mouth. If you don't like a series, stop reading it. Want to see the ending? Stop reading the series until it ends, but downloading the chapters as they come out, and reading them all together when it ends. If you don't like something, then instead of just forcing yourself to read it and complaining about it, just stop. If you still want to see the ending, then just stop until it happens and read it all together, instead of just complaining about the flaws in every individual chapter. That way, you can read the series as a whole, and not having to force yourself to read something you don't like each week, in hopes of reaching the end. Worried about spoilers? Since you aren't reading the series, just stay away from all Naruto discussions until it ends and you read it all. I just don't understand why some of you are torturing yourselfs so much if you really don't like it that much, with the way you are currently doing things. The way I suggested is a much better way of handling things in this case, IMO.

    Edit: With my suggestion, of course, just read as much as you can each day, when you are catching up when the series ends. Just try to finish reading and get through the thing as fast as you can, so you can finally move onto something else.
    Last edited by narutoandichigo; February 23rd, 2006 at 10:50 PM.

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    Well, why don't you put your imput in here each week? You know, you're not going to get banned for liking it.

    "Zomg, Robin cried! She has to stop being so emotional!"
    Alot of people have a complained about that actually.

    I don't really want to go through your post and tell you why I don't like certain things about Naruto, because obviously opinions differ. I find Naruto, even though he does go K4+ and all that, doesn't do any different attacks aside from randomly flailing of the arms to flinging energy balls. I think that's kinda boring, but then that's my opinion. So I would post it in this thread and that would be the end of it. You wanna know what I like? Ok~ Yamato is really cool and interesting, I like Naruto going insane with power, I love his cast of Konoha ninjas, and Rock Lee and Gai are two of the most amazing characters ever created. The fact is, Kishimono has the habit of pushing the things I like into the background and not letting them grow. Naruto has the potential to be a really cool series, and every week I get disappointed. That's why I read Naruto every week, not because I'm 'ZOMG MASOCHIST', but because I really liked it once before, I still really like alot of the characters in it, and I want to see how it ends, no matter how dull or frustrating it may be getting there.

    Naruto has also stopped being as funny as it was. This makes me sad.


    No, I don't care if I get banned from here.
    That is rediculous. Nobody is going to ban you.


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    Not to throw gasoline on this already raging inferno nut to throw my two cents on this matter.

    It sort of annoys me how people who have been with Naruto since day one vehemently continue to find things wrong with the series, while in some cases I can sympathise with these same people the bashing just gets redundant & repetitive after awhile (I mean even Bush-Bashing get tiresome.)

    Simple & straight if you feel that Naruto is beggining to get bland do with it the same as a person with do with a stale piece of bread throw it out or if it's the last piece of bread and you can't get a hold of some new bread just swallow your pride & eat it (I know my metaphor sucks.)

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    But I can't throw out Rock Lee........................ he is far to pretty and youthful~


  7. #1667

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    But I can't throw out Rock Lee........................ he is far to pretty and youthful~
    :hm: Why do my instincts tell me to take that statement as sarcasm. XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandai Mera
    It sort of annoys me how people who have been with Naruto since day one vehemently continue to find things wrong with the series, while in some cases I can sympathise with these same people the bashing just gets redundant & repetitive after awhile (I mean even Bush-Bashing get tiresome.)

    Simple & straight if you feel that Naruto is beggining to get bland do with it the same as a person with do with a stale piece of bread throw it out or if it's the last piece of bread and you can't get a hold of some new bread just swallow your pride & eat it (I know my metaphor sucks.)
    The bashing gets repetitive because the chapters that come out is repetitively bad >.> Some of us just don't held the saying, "If you got nothing good to say then STFU" as true.

    Even the smallest decline in OP gets criticized (like when a chapter introduces even more enemies); we're not in denial.

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    Some of us just don't held the saying, "If you got nothing good to say then STFU" as true.
    Quite a new spin on an old saying.

    Even the smallest decline in OP gets criticized (like when a chapter introduces even more enemies); we're not in denial.
    Doesn't look like anybody is in denial apparently.

    All I'm saying is that people have had problems with Naruto even before the Chuunin Exam arc which continues on eventhough the story is in it's 7/8 arc
    (If you include Kakashi's flashback.) And it really makes me wonder how the devotion of those people has managed to stay this long, I mean you have people who used to read Gantz or Bleach but don't read those two mangas as much anymore (for some strange reasons). And all the complaints with the series makes me wonder why some people continue to read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandai Mera
    All I'm saying is that people have had problems with Naruto even before the Chuunin Exam arc which continues on eventhough the story is in it's 7/8 arc
    (If you include Kakashi's flashback.) And it really makes me wonder how the devotion of those people has managed to stay this long, I mean you have people who used to read Gantz or Bleach but don't read those two mangas as much anymore (for some strange reasons). And all the complaints with the series makes me wonder why some people continue to read it.
    Fah, that saying has lost its meaning and has become a refuge for people who couldn't be criticized. "OMG! UR so mean! Its my first fic!" or something like that.

    I personally held on reading Naruto because I want to know what's going to happen to the other ninjas; the Hyuuga clan, the Aburame and stuff. Hell, the battles used to be really entertaining and displays the cunning mind of ninjas.

    I still hope it will go better. When Naruto first used Kyuubi 3-tail against Oro, I thought it's going to be awesome. But...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandai Mera
    :hm: Why do my instincts tell me to take that statement as sarcasm. XD
    Ha ha, no way that's sarscasm! Rock Lee is only my 2nd favorite character ever! ^^


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    Ha ha, no way that's sarscasm! Rock Lee is only my 2nd favorite character ever!
    It's just your earlier statement felt like sarcasm my bad. ^^u

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    I read Naruto even though I don't like it as much anymore, when Naruto went all Kyuubi I want excited but now I'm wondering why it won't end, the fight is going on for ages. I still read it for the chance that Naruto (as in character Naruto) will turn back to what I loved before and see the other characters that I love, Lee and Gai are just brilliant! I fail to see exactly where Naruto is going, like Kishimoto is stuck himself and I really don't like that also that he's lost his touch. I loved Naruto before I thought it was great but the quality has gone down. I read it just to see where it's going with the hope that it'll get better again.

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    I admit, the quality has went down a lil bit. But part 2, is getting its ground roots in. I find the current story-line interesting, with the whole anbu-root, the inter-fighting in konoha, and Akuts.

    I am looking forward to the next great ninja war, I feel it will happend in the next year or 2.

    I dont think the fight is pointless, Naruto will realize he needs to rely less on Kyuubi because he hurts the people he love. Also, Danzo wanted to get in contact with Oro. Oro and Konoha have mutual enemies in akusti. Allies for a few arcs?

    I honestly feel that some of you bash Naruto to harshly because it is number 1 in america instead of One piece. People complain about endless justus getting pulled out the ass. But have no problems with devil fruit powers.

    People complain this fight is pointless, I dont see how it is. They cry bah this is pointless and that is so far from the truth. We learned alot of things from this fight. Why do you bashers think the fight was pointless? honestly.

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    why would anyone give a shit how popular things are in america? :huh:

    and we've posted more than enough constructive criticism in this thread when things started getting bad and since nothing has improved much we have no reason to post anything positive.

    and why people still hang around? The setting is fine and most characters too so we wait and hope to see something good or a decent progress in the story. That's the biggest flaw of thjis manga that is all happens so slow that you have to go back and read 20-30 chapters to actually understand what was happening.
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    *raises hand* I don't live in America, don't give a shit about what's popular there, but will still bash Naruto if I think it sucks. If it's good, I praise it, if it's bad I criticize. I know that might sound totally crazy, but it's how a newfangled kid like me is used to doing it.

    Fact is, I think the latest couple of chapters have sucked royally, and I'm not going to stop saying that just out of consideration for people who do like it. If you like it, good for you. But you can't expect people to withhold criticism for the sole reason you don't agree with it.

    Incredibly enough, though, I somewhat liked the latest chapter. The end of the fight was beyond anticlimactic, but I liked Kabuto's commentary on Naruto for some reason. It gave just a little bit more depth to things beyond ''rargh you insulted sasuke's hair style I go berserk now''. Same with Sakura's response, though she's still a pussy. Knocked out twice in a battle she's not even participating in? Wow.

    But it seems like we're actually going somewhere Kishimoto's been planning to go now that Sai's contacted Orochimaru, so I guess I'll wait and see where things go from here. Also, Orochimaru and the good guys having sort of a mutual enemy sort of appealed to me as a premise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narutoandichigo
    The NF forums are down anyways...
    And just because I still enjoy the series, and don't go running around looking for every fault in it, doesn't make me a fanboy of the series. There are some people who don't like One Piece but they don't go running around calling us all One Piece fanboys/girls of the series when we actually try to talk about it in a positive light. I enjoy the series. You don't. It's as simple as that.
    Then what's the problem? Why complain about are bashing? Are you afraid you will start to dislike Naruto, too? If so, then I see that you've already noticed the series' faults and are not willing to admit it. This is why I linked you to NF; keep yourself blissfully unaware of any animosity toward the series by going to a place where people won't complain.

    Quote Originally Posted by narutoandichigo
    And I could do the same complaining with One Piece if I wanted to (which I don't and I don't mean the following)....
    "Zomg, Robin cried! She has to stop being so emotional!" for "Zomg, Sakura's crying for Naruto. Lamezors!". Character development on both ends (for Sakura, it's her realationship with Naruto).
    As I said earlier, we've complained about One Piece, too. It's nothing really big.

    Quote Originally Posted by narutoandichigo
    And Naruto's finally doing what a Jinchuuriki does; tap into it's chakra and use it's powers. I don't see how this is so unexpected and new. And at least, unlike the SSJ system, there are actual downsides to KN's powerups. Once Naruto gets 4 tails out, the healing his body goes through will shorten his lifespan, like Tsunade's Genesis rebirth. The worse that happened with DBZ was that Goku could only stay in SSJ3 for a short amount of time when he was on Earth. And, as I recall, in the DBZ manga Goku grew out of the bersek Ozaru (monkey-form) thing. Naruto's growing into it and whenever he goes into KN4 or above, there's always a risk of him hurting his comrades. In fact, Naruto hit Sakura in this chapter, It'll be interesting to see where that goes with his development.
    Personally, the Kyuubi's weaknesses don't make sense because cells constantly replace themselves and grow. The outer layer of a person's skin consists of dead cells; simply accelerating the growth cycle sounds like Kishimoto couldn't think of any better kind of weakess. The same applies to Tsunade's power.

    In any matter, Naruto's big thing with the Kyuubi was that it wouldn't happen even if he was mad; it was something he couldn't control, and there was always a good explanation as to why.

    Prior to this Naruto II Arc, Naruto only went Kyuubi-berserk three times, not including simply using Kyuubi's chakra.

    1) Naruto realized Haku "killed" Sasuke.
    2) Naruto realized Sakura and Sauske would get killed by Orochi's big snake.
    3) After Sasuke killed Naruto.

    Now, Naruto uses the Kyuubi berserk like a power, even though there's limitations now on its abilities. It's exactly like I was saying; Kishimoto took DBZ, changed a couple things, and you "readers who are not fanboys" think it's the greatest show ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by narutoandichigo
    P.S. No, I don't care if I get banned from here. This thread just left a very bad taste in my mouth. If you don't like a series, stop reading it. Want to see the ending? Stop reading the series until it ends, but downloading the chapters as they come out, and reading them all together when it ends. If you don't like something, then instead of just forcing yourself to read it and complaining about it, just stop. If you still want to see the ending, then just stop until it happens and read it all together, instead of just complaining about the flaws in every individual chapter. That way, you can read the series as a whole, and not having to force yourself to read something you don't like each week, in hopes of reaching the end. Worried about spoilers? Since you aren't reading the series, just stay away from all Naruto discussions until it ends and you read it all. I just don't understand why some of you are torturing yourselfs so much if you really don't like it that much, with the way you are currently doing things. The way I suggested is a much better way of handling things in this case, IMO.
    You're not going to get banned from AP. I said that going to NF and bashing Naruto would get you banned from there. Regardless, as I said, you're afraid you'll see our point of view. I rest my case.

    Quote Originally Posted by narutoandichigo
    Edit: With my suggestion, of course, just read as much as you can each day, when you are catching up when the series ends. Just try to finish reading and get through the thing as fast as you can, so you can finally move onto something else.
    I used to be a hardcore Naruto fan, almost as much an OP fan. This is why I read the manga; I still have hope it'll get better and more interesting. I do not like Bleach, and I can never get Death Note; pretty much, Naruto and OP has defined Shounen Jump for me, and it's a pity to see Naruto crash and burn like this.

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    malintex, it is a shame that those two series have defined shonen jump for you because it does have alot of other stuff that is good. Your points are very valid. I think that many people just refuse to see some of the down sides of the manga. I am easily pleased. I enjoy the action to the series, while acknowledging its many faults. The story with naruto and sasuke has just dragged on for far too long. I wonder what the hell kishimoto is gonna do when he finally ends this crap with sasuke, if it actually continues from it because i can tell it wont. It probably wouldnt be so bad if there was as much of an emphasis on the other characters now as there was during the chase sasuke arc (although the fights were a bit too long and the sand ninja were a bit of a deus ex machina, if you ask me, but i still enjoyed their presence) It is a shame that the main character cant adequately carry this series but it is a reality that kishimoto desperately needs to realize

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    I wonder if naruto wouldve gone all dbzish i wonder what the second part would've been like.

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    ah this thread is so interesting, nobody gets fanboyish or total hater of naruto, that makes the debate fruitful.

    as it's been said before, we continue saying the same things again but the same thing happens each week. the humour and originality of the fights are what made naruto great and now it's lame. i mean, i'd have prefered big times to have 4 or 5 chapters about gai's team fighting their clones instead of sakura fighting sasori for one hell of a too much number of weeks.

    i'm still reading it because it's still kinda enjoyable and i like kishimoto's drawings, but hell, what i want to see is other akatsuki members, other jinchuuriki which are not all like naruto because the "ZOMG you're like me" now bothers me like hell.

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