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    Quote Originally Posted by gaara d. lucci
    Yeah, Orochimaru's "good" at abducting little boys.
    I'm being gosh-darn serious. The only people in Naruto who could be considered "evil" are Akatsuki, since they're trying to impose their will on the whole world. Is Orochimaru like that? He's after his own interests but aside from that he leaves people alone; to top that, he left the so-called "evil organization", so he isn't contributing to its evil anymore.

    Compare Orochimaru to the ninja villages in general; Orochimaru kills people to further his own ends, which would make them necessary tools. This is not unlike the ninja villages who treat the success as being more important than an individual ninja's safety. Additionally, look at the people Orochimaru kills; he usually steals their bodies ("killing" them) to keep himself alive. it's self-preservation, which provided the opportunity any living breathing animal would attempt to do.

    Contrast with the ninja villages, who have ninjas kill people because they're paid to do so. Now who appears more evil?

    Never forget that Sasuke left Konoha of his own will; no matter how much Narutards or even the Konoha-nin bastich about it, it was Sasuke's choice and all Orochimaru did was promise him great power. At this, Orochimaru is training Sasuke to kill one of the "bad" guys of Naruto, his own brother Itachi, a member of Akatsuki.

    So, in short, while Orochimaru might be the "end boss" of Naruto, he sure sucks as one, because from my point of view he's acting rational, not malevolently.
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    Terek, you have quite a point. I've never thought of it like that. He's just looking out for number one. To me that seems like a better boss design instead of the generic evil guy who does what he does for little to no reason. He wants ultimate knowledge of all jutsus. Cliche but somewhat different.

    Still Orochimaru doesn't give me that end boss vibe. He seems like a slightly less annoying Naraku. Also Orochimaru seems to be afraid of the Akatsuki & Itachi. I know battle skills does not equate to this, but the fact there's people much stronger than him, doesn't make me feel like he's an end boss. I don't he's "THE" end boss, maybe one of them. But I've been wrong before (I am probably wrong this time)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek
    I'm being gosh-darn serious. The only people in Naruto who could be considered "evil" are Akatsuki, since they're trying to impose their will on the whole world. Is Orochimaru like that? He's after his own interests but aside from that he leaves people alone; to top that, he left the so-called "evil organization", so he isn't contributing to its evil anymore.

    Compare Orochimaru to the ninja villages in general; Orochimaru kills people to further his own ends, which would make them necessary tools. This is not unlike the ninja villages who treat the success as being more important than an individual ninja's safety. Additionally, look at the people Orochimaru kills; he usually steals their bodies ("killing" them) to keep himself alive. it's self-preservation, which provided the opportunity any living breathing animal would attempt to do.

    Contrast with the ninja villages, who have ninjas kill people because they're paid to do so. Now who appears more evil?

    Never forget that Sasuke left Konoha of his own will; no matter how much Narutards or even the Konoha-nin bastich about it, it was Sasuke's choice and all Orochimaru did was promise him great power. At this, Orochimaru is training Sasuke to kill one of the "bad" guys of Naruto, his own brother Itachi, a member of Akatsuki.

    So, in short, while Orochimaru might be the "end boss" of Naruto, he sure sucks as one, because from my point of view he's acting rational, not malevolently.

    Well, maybe. However, how do you justifiy Orochimaru seemingly experimenting and toruring people in that scene from the Chuunin exams?

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    Chances are, other ninja villages have done so as well. Take the hidden Mist. A village where the conditions for becoming a ninja used to be killing someone. What other diabolical content could they try?
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    That would be a great thematic angle to use if Kishimoto knew what the word "Thematic" meant.

    Oh speaking of which, more Gaia humor.
    A kid who thinks the ridiculous difference in height between the teens and adults in early Naruto was an artistic choice based off showing thier growth.

    Like hell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoment
    Well, maybe. However, how do you justifiy Orochimaru seemingly experimenting and toruring people in that scene from the Chuunin exams?
    Just some inferences:

    1. Orochimaru was experimenting on people to discover how to preserve his own life.
    2. Torture yeilds more dramatic results regarding certain treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek
    Just some inferences:

    1. Orochimaru was experimenting on people to discover how to preserve his own life.
    2. Torture yeilds more dramatic results regarding certain treatment.
    Well, it's arguably more evil then killing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoment
    Well, it's arguably more evil then killing people.
    You don't think Konoha tortures people for info/pay?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephos
    You don't think Konoha tortures people for info/pay?
    They might, but no one ever said that. Assassination I can understand, but not torture. And even then, it's not all of Konoha's fault for that torture anyway, depending on who's involved. I doubt the 3rd would run a torture operation, that guys just too damn moral.

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    But wasn't Ibiki a torture specialist? Sarutobi might've been moral, but he's also the leader of a nation's military; I'm fairly sure that a torture division or something of that sort probably didn't exist, but torture probably was necessary at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. All Sunday
    But wasn't Ibiki a torture specialist?
    Yep.

    If I may add my thoughts, I detest Sasuke's style far more than Naruto's. Why? Sasuke is just copying people who are far cooler and better than him *coughLeecough* *coughKakashicough*. But even with this, He has more original attacks than Naruto (I think). oh well. It is a bit odd to really dislike the two main characters isn't it?
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    Not in Naruto, the three main characters aren't nearly as interesting as the dozen or so thrown away secondary characters. I have far more respect for Kakashi than Sasuke, as Kakashi was a prodigy in the first place (before he got Sharingan) and Sasuke was only considered a prodigy because he was the last Uchiha.

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    It's not really odd to dislike the main characters. I'm personally a not much of a Luffy fan (although his Gears are cool). I also don't like Gohan or Ichigo that much. Don't think I need to mention Sakura. You'll find that alot of the time, people like the side characters WAY more than the main ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaara d. lucci
    It's not really odd to dislike the main characters. I'm personally a not much of a Luffy fan (although his Gears are cool). I also don't like Gohan or Ichigo that much. Don't think I need to mention Sakura. You'll find that alot of the time, people like the side characters WAY more than the main ones.
    To be honest, I start to think that people would say the exact same things about Neji and Rock Lee if they were in the lead role. People who get the same thing over and over start to get curious for what their other options are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoment
    To be honest, I start to think that people would say the exact same things about Neji and Rock Lee if they were in the lead role. People who get the same thing over and over start to get curious for what their other options are.
    This is true. Enventually you wanna see more of the side-characters who u don't know much about. I wager in a sec people will probably want the Akatsuki & CP9 to get their own spinoff series (I'd buy a CP9 spinoff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoment
    Well, it's arguably more evil then killing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoment
    They might, but no one ever said that. Assassination I can understand, but not torture. And even then, it's not all of Konoha's fault for that torture anyway, depending on who's involved. I doubt the 3rd would run a torture operation, that guys just too damn moral.
    Considering that torture (well, psychological/interrogation) was the specialty of the first proctor of the Chuunin exams...

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    Konoha probably has torture. But probably nothing really extreme.

    Most of it is probably just interrogation.

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    Interogation with drills and staple guns. >:D

    I imagine the Leaf wouldn't do anything too crazy, especially not doing twisted stuff to them like Orochimaru did on occasion.

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    I never seen it as good or evil in Naruto. They all have missions and you have enemies base on ur missions. Like most wars, fights and disputes, there is no good or evil, just a whole lot of in between.

    Sasuke was pretty talented before he got the sharingan. He just wasnt no itachi but than again who was?

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