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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Of course. If I find the print version. The j-sites have the particular phrase posted everywhere and it's basically the manifesto of the site I posted in the Japan thread a while back which is dedicated to getting Oda fired.

    The funny thing is he's right. In English it's just a matter-of-fact statement but in Japanese it's like raping Togashi's wife and forcing her to have an abortion then eat the fetus.

    Or not.

    But it's still pretty harsh. He basically says (paraphrasing) "I believe we should have popularity rankings for comics because I work really hard and I can't believe that some others are even allowed to be called 'mangaka'."

    ouch.

    Did he mention Togashi by name? No. But everyone and their mother instantly replied either:

    "How can he say that about Togashi!!!!!!!?"

    or

    "lol He's talking about Togashi."

    The interview itself is in the Liar Game equivalent of YELLOW. If I remember correctly it's 'Liar Game INVITATION'. I've been searching for it at bookstores and second-hand places for months.




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    In that SW interview I can't be sure but it seemed like he was taking a pot-shot at Kubo (Bleach's JUMP Festa Stages have been ((every year I've been)) dominated by teen and tween girls squealing at that ice man-child). I can't imagine he'd actually aim at a regular in JUMP though. (Togashi obviously not in that category)
    God, you still have that avatar

    Someone passed that interview blurb along to me and I just wanted to comment and/or ask some things.

    Mainly because I doubt he's talking about Togashi. It could be anyone, I think

    In the context of "popularity rankings," I was talking with a friend and he pointed out that a bunch of manga magazines have NO popularity rankings whatsoever, and that Weekly Jump is the only magazine with some a strict one.

    And also, it's not like HXH is unpopular. It's immensely popular, on the same level as the "big three". Otherwise, Togashi would not be able to get away with so many vacations (in addition to him being a "legend"). So it's not like HXH is only sticking around because Togashi plays racqetball with Torishima

    It's also Togashi's level as a "legend" that makes me really doubtful that Oda would slight him specifically like that. He's someone who seems to be immensely respectful to his peers and to the artists who preceded him in the magazine. He's also apparently really friendly to most of his Jump colleagues (but what you posted about him and Kubo Tite is really interesting. I never knew that) from his weekly comments in the magazine. So I doubt he'd attack any of them in public like that

    (especially since, from my understanding, the politics at Jump are really sensitive and he could get a lot of hell from the editors for saying something like that)

    These are just my impressions. You have a much better perspective on the culture and the situation, so I could be very wrong. I just wanted to point these things out, to see if I'm on the right track or not

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    How many other mangakas aside from kishi has Oda directly referred to greg?

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    Oda definately mentioned Murata, Inagaki, Takei, Watsuki, Shimabukuro, and Usuta. And he drops Kaitani's name from time to time, they seem to be close friends.

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    I doubt , unless it's positive , he would refer to anyone directly . As in he will say other mangaka's names only when he has something nice to say .

    Also Holy shit Carter . Now I've seen everything .

    Oh and I dunno , but personaly I hope the people at Jump get tired of Togashi's antics one day . I mean there is only so much people can do before you start hating them to the morrow of their bones .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sâuza View Post
    Question, was it the same thing with Yu Yu Hakusho or was the release normal ?
    The release was normal but there was some trouble at the end of the manga.
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    Knowing how polite japanese people are all the time and having the attitude to don`t confront someone or go against someones opinion, it`s sure a big thing when Oda critizes something.
    Non the less he wasn`t talking to someone specific!

    He, as a hard working mangaka who stands out as the shining role model of a diligent bee, who loves his job and to make his fans happy just stated that in his opinion some mangakas, who aren`t with their full heart behind their work aren`t real mangakas for him.

    Everyone immeadaly thought about Togashi..
    I guess that lies in his own responsibility.
    He has that image of a lazy guy right now, but in my opinion Oda just wanted to honour those mangakas who work their ass of for the thing they love..like Oda himself show it day after day.
    It`s normal that not all mangakas are friends but to respect someone more because of his hard work is a normal thing in Japan or isn`t it.

    The interview itself is in the Liar Game equivalent of YELLOW. If I remember correctly it's 'Liar Game INVITATION'. I've been searching for it at bookstores and second-hand places for months.
    For Liar Game some data books exists
    Damn nice...
    But Greg why exactly was it printed there?
    Is also Kaitani in that interview..i rly hope you get an exemplar soon.
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    Togashi doesn't care about black people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JERK DISEASE View Post
    Togashi doesn't care about black people.



    He doesn't agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Quichotte De Flamingo View Post
    For Liar Game some data books exists
    Damn nice...
    But Greg why exactly was it printed there?
    Is also Kaitani in that interview..i rly hope you get an exemplar soon.
    It's like Oda and Toriyama, and Oda and Inoue, special interviews for the databooks.
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    Oda and Kaitani interview and i haven`t heard so far of it..
    Shame on me
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    Quote Originally Posted by TONEY View Post
    What the fuck are you on about you mong
    almost all of King's work is meaningless bathroom fiction
    fuck that shit

    And we still don't know the full details of Togashi's condition. Even if it is laziness, he might get severe patches of writer's block, and that's pretty acceptable. Look at Ellison and Fukumoto, two of the greatest story/manga writers of all time, but they'd each had massive periods of writer's block.

    And who fucking gives a shit if he's lazy. Half of the manga that are trying to MAKE IT BIG nowadays are shit like To-Love-Ru or Psyren anyway, so it's not like we're missing out on anything really good. Togashi can write a damn good story; no reason to boot him out of the listing just because he's lazy. I prefer it if he writes 20 chapters a year than him spitting out some stream of consciousness garbage like Kubo.

    And yeah, I think Togashi's much better than Oda plotwise. Despite Oda's brilliant consistency in writing a decent story and excellent art, Togashi's characterization and themes blow OP's out of the water. OP is just too fucking linear for me. I like it, but some of the character relationships and arcs are just so painfully cringeworthy and unrealistic. Togashi, despite his fairly simplistic story arc here (BREAK INTO THE PALACE, KILL THE KING, OTHER COMPLICATIONS ENSUE), has made a pretty complicated and deep world here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucephalus View Post
    And yeah, I think Togashi's much better than Oda plotwise. Despite Oda's brilliant consistency in writing a decent story and excellent art, Togashi's characterization and themes blow OP's out of the water. OP is just too fucking linear for me. I like it, but some of the character relationships and arcs are just so painfully cringeworthy and unrealistic. Togashi, despite his fairly simplistic story arc here (BREAK INTO THE PALACE, KILL THE KING, OTHER COMPLICATIONS ENSUE), has made a pretty complicated and deep world here.
    One Piece is for 15 years old kids. HunterXHunter aim to older readers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Quichotte De Flamingo View Post
    Oda and Kaitani interview and i haven`t heard so far of it..
    Shame on me
    Most of us didn't, because it was Kaitani and Oda
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    So you think Togashi has writers block every ten chapters in the same exact battle?

    lmao

    As for Hunter's "themes" most of them are pure guesswork by readers at this point.
    Getting your panties in a twist about unrealistic plots in OP is pretty dumb too.
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    do you have any explanation? laziness, divorce, back problems, cancer... there's about a hundred and five explanations for the hiatuses right now. I don't recall any of them being confirmed.

    Suppose it doesn't even have to be writer's blocks. perhaps he just likes to take his stories slow, fleshing them out as much as possible (or laziness, but then again no one fucking knows)

    there's a couple generic and obvious themes which have been explored pretty damn well so far, and I'm sure this arc will bring whatever theme he's trying to show with the King full circle fairly well
    and spazzing out about details (seriously? details? depth? what the fuck) of all things is retarded as shit. the narration has hardly been "pointless;" I'm not reading this series just for NO NARRATION JUST DBZ BATTLE SCENES. the narration gives more insight as to what Togashi was thinking as he wrote that section of the story. I'd rather have a narrator covering the psychological aspects of the story than just blank spaces like with Kubo does

    and I'm not even expecting One Piece to realistic; it's a children's manga. Of course there's going to be some stretches (with the insanely close friendships, etc.). I can just appreciate HXH a lot more because some of the characters actually have strongly considered abandoning their friends in their time of need. it's a lot more realistic than everyone just running in without the slightest care for their own safety.

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    I hope those impressions of
    Togashi's characterization and themes blow OP's out of the water. OP is just too fucking linear for me. I like it, but some of the character relationships and arcs are just so painfully cringeworthy and unrealistic. Togashi, despite his fairly simplistic story arc here (BREAK INTO THE PALACE, KILL THE KING, OTHER COMPLICATIONS ENSUE), has made a pretty complicated and deep world here.
    aren`t based on the fact that we get much more inner monologue of the charas in HxH.

    I rly love those inner monologues, because it gives the charas(and so the story) such a great depth which i sometimes wish would be in OP.
    But Oda said it a thousand times already that his manga is for a younger audience(even when i believe it gets more dark themes after the timeskip)and i don`t want to miss the slapstick-character of the story Oda always tries to create.

    We know that the main chara(Luffy) was never seen thinking about something.
    His actions are based of emotions and so is the whole concept of OP.
    It`s more an adventure-ride with many many highlights but rarely many situations you have to think a lot(even when it has sad moments and stuff like Goa Kingdom,slavery etc.).

    HxH has less humour, but you just get more into the charas(because you are literally following their thinking process) and is a great story, which sure is better in many moments than OP.
    But i never had a hard time to identify or understand the behaviour of OP charas, even when many act..ehhm not rly human like.
    It`s more based on the funny chara faults they have instead of deep emotions.
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    God, you still have that avatar
    I briefly had Japanese porn stars (I mean cosplayers) and then I had a man who jumped on the New York subway train tracks while the train approached and ran over him missing his brain by centimeters to save a guy who fell off the platform from a seizure but I always come back to this.


    In the context of "popularity rankings," I was talking with a friend and he pointed out that a bunch of manga magazines have NO popularity rankings whatsoever, and that Weekly Jump is the only magazine with some a strict one.
    Please remember I was paraphrasing. Here is the exact quote:

    甲斐谷「漫画家の良いところってランクがない点だと思う。
    もちろん人気のあるなしはあるけど、プロになったら
    皆それぞれの作品を作って、実力に応じて頑張ってると思う」

    尾田「そこは僕、逆なんです。僕はランク付けの肩書きが欲しいんですよ。
    こんなに頑張っているのに、なんで他の人と同じ『漫画家』って肩書きなんだろうって。」
    Kaitani- The good thing about 'mangaka' is that there's no rank amongst us. Of course there are popular and not-so-popular ones but when you become a professional, we all do our best with our abilities in our individual works.

    Oda- In that case actually I'm the complete opposite. I want a degree of rank amongst us. I'm working this hard so I really wonder why some other people can hold the same title of 'mangaka'.


    And also, it's not like HXH is unpopular.
    HxH is fucking crazy popular. There are people who buy JUMP only for HxH. And basically if people are willing to put up with Togashi's shit (see his references to DQ in the weekly author's comments and how many hours he spent on the first dungeon of DQ9 earlier in the thread) then it's GOTTA be good. IF Oda is talking about Togashi, I think it has entirely to do with work ethic.

    But like you said, it's simply NOT like Oda to come out against someone THAT strong from the same magazine. However, he has been extremely defensive in the past of friends regardless of what it meant for his popularity. See how he lead the charge defending Shimabukuro. After he started defending him, suddenly everyone else followed suit. That's something that consistently pisses off the adult manga-reading public but he does it anyway.

    (especially since, from my understanding, the politics at Jump are really sensitive and he could get a lot of hell from the editors for saying something like that)
    This is the big thing. Which is why it's (obviously) ambiguous. Point is, he's talking about someone or some people. At this point Oda is the antithesis of Togashi and his work ethic so on this end, those who read the interview instantly thought, "TOGASHI!". And even if he wasn't talking about Togashi, even as a completely ambiguous statement, just the very idea that he would intimate that he's 'different' from others for working 'hard' blew the fucking LID off his critics. It's a very sensitive statement.

    The question is, coming from the author of the highest and fastest-selling manga of all time, is it okay for him to say that now?

    Five or even two years ago I don't think so. But now? He might still be a whippersnapper but I think he's earned the ability to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucephalus View Post
    do you have any explanation?
    Oh, well then I'll guess I'll accept you're stupid suggestion then.
    Wait no, that would be retarded.

    Him being lazy is far more sensible then having writers block constantly for near years over the same exact battle.

    No matter your aggrandization of it, Hunter is barely above OP in story complexity. None of the elements Togashi is playing with would warrant nine months of constant brainstorming. It's a laughable idea.

    Suppose it doesn't even have to be writer's blocks. perhaps he just likes to take his stories slow, fleshing them out as much as possible (or laziness, but then again no one fucking knows)
    If his idea of flow is over the top OCD analysis of what an anthropomorphic octopus is thinking trying to trap a walking lobster in an elevator then he is a shitty writer.

    there's a couple generic and obvious themes which have been explored pretty damn well so far, and I'm sure this arc will bring whatever theme he's trying to show with the King full circle fairly well
    and spazzing out about details (seriously? details? depth? what the fuck) of all things is retarded as shit. the narration has hardly been "pointless;"
    That's what you thought, but then I entered the room and stood exactly five decameters away from the door, which you realized changed the whole debate giving you exactly eight seconds to think of a new plan within the larger minute allowed by the impending magic boom boom powers of a mod, this changed your thoughts dramatically and altered your composure to a nervous one, causing you to exert sweat, which having noticed, caused me to smile. This smile meant that I understood your sudden issues, and in this understanding I realized I had four seconds to turn around and walk back two steps, twirl twice, recite the Magna Carta by heart, then pull back on the strings I attached to the door to avoid your counterattack. And then we both died because poison gas had been seeping in the room for the last five minutes prior to these realizations.
    I'm not reading this series just for NO NARRATION JUST DBZ BATTLE SCENES. the narration gives more insight as to what Togashi was thinking as he wrote that section of the story.
    It's overdone and would be completely terrible and stupid if it weren't fascinatingly insane. It's kind of like Outsider art at this point.

    I'd rather have a narrator covering the psychological aspects of the story than just blank spaces like with Kubo does
    HYUCK HYUCK ID RATHER HAVE STALIN SENDING PEASANTS TO GULAGS THEN HITLER KILLING THEM

    and I'm not even expecting One Piece to realistic; it's a children's manga. Of course there's going to be some stretches (with the insanely close friendships, etc.).
    THAT's what you find unrealistic??
    What are you, a hikkomori?

    I can just appreciate HXH a lot more because some of the characters actually have strongly considered abandoning their friends in their time of need.
    So......Killua once or twice and that was because his brother put a goofy magic needle in his head that we only learned about right after Killua found about it 21 volumes into the story.

    Usopp abandoning the crew over Merry is ten times that.

    it's a lot more realistic than everyone just running in without the slightest care for their own safety.
    This is pretty much the dumbest fucking thing to get upset over. Not even Berserk has this "realism".
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    Seriously, 3/4 of the stupid narration during the palace assault comes down to Togashi not trusting us or himself to be able to show actions and emotions without literally explaining them in asinine detail.

    There is no way around this. It's a comic book, not a novel.

    Show don't tell.
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    I stopped reading this series several years ago. Sometime after reaching the part where Gon's dad was introduced in that rather memorable scene. I stopped because I simply lost interest after that. Now though, I have seen it rated quite highly in the tiers thread and I was wondering if it was worth picking up again, or if the series has "improved". What think you, APers?

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