Interestingly Ni(2) Kyu(9), Kin's fruit Fu(2) Ku(9), Tamas possible Tsu(2) Ku(9) are all Luffy's friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi
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Interestingly Ni(2) Kyu(9), Kin's fruit Fu(2) Ku(9), Tamas possible Tsu(2) Ku(9) are all Luffy's friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi
I would really dislike that, it would be more impressive if it's a ninja technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid
It's a pretty specific amount of time, if it's just supposed to be enough time to get away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid
She could have said "Hold them off as long as can" or something like that, if it's not a limit of her powers, why choose three minutes exactly, seems kind of weird to me.
At that point I'd jump the Tama-train...Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid
I don't see how summoning could be part of her Devil Fruit power. Taming is one thing, but summoning would be just BS.
Taming is simple, because it's basic. You eat something that activates some hormones, and that makes you like the user.
That's why it also works on Smile users, because they become part animals.
Zoan user are humans who can transform into animals, but they are still humans.
yeah, but wouldnt it be too supernatural for a ninja technique?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhenja
yeah, i can get behind that.Quote:
It's a pretty specific amount of time, if it's just supposed to be enough time to get away.
She could have said "Hold them off as long as can" or something like that, if it's not a limit of her powers, why choose three minutes exactly, seems kind of weird to me.
Assuming her fruit is the tsuku tsuku (attach) no mi, which makes animals emotionally attached to her, then her powers could get extended to other "attach" like abilities, like Kuma for example, his paws gives him the ability to push or reject anything, push air, push out intangible stuff like pain, push stuff away like a teleportion etc.Quote:
At that point I'd jump the Tama-train...
I don't see how summoning could be part of her Devil Fruit power. Taming is one thing, but summoning would be just BS.
Taming is simple, because it's basic. You eat something that activates some hormones, and that makes you like the user.
That's why it also works on Smile users, because they become part animals.
Zoan user are humans who can transform into animals, but they are still humans.
Maybe anything that ate Tamas kibidango and that is emotionally attached to her can also be "physically" attached at any given time like a summon... yeah I dunno, it felt like it made more sense in my head than when I started typing, at this point ill just gotta wait and see I guess.
Yeah, you're probably right about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid
In retrospective, all the ninja techniques we've seen so far, were either Devil Fruit powers or some other nonsense.:laughing:
I haven't thought much about it, but I think every fruit has one principle and it never changes, no matter how it's used, it's always the same principle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid
Tama's fruit manipulates the brain of an animal, it's not magic, it's chemistry. Attaching something physically to the user would be a different kind of principle.
I don't know, would be a hard pill to swallow, for me.
Isn't this the point of a discussion, to make people rethink stuff, and maybe get a different point of view? :laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid
Yeah, can't do anything but wait.
I think Tama just came with the remaining Big Mom pirates. They climbed the waterfall and shored in Kuri. Tama met them, told them where to go and was taken with them as a guide.
Not too sure about that, some fruits have been pretty loose in that regardQuote:
Originally Posted by Zhenja
Impossible, they'll never get up that waterfall.Quote:
Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII
Next time they try, they will be pushed down by Laffitte. :ninja:
Yeah, me neither. As I said, didn't really think much about that, it was just a thought that popped in my head at that point, and it fits with Kuma's fruit, so I thought I just go with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi
I might take a look into this, when I have time. :laughing:
To be fair, most are built around one key ability and the extensions of said ability, but sometimes Oda creates a certain loose concept but the abilities are not very clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhenja
Best example would be Hancock i guess, whose abilities are all over the place. You can say her ability is turning stuff and people into stone by varying degrees, but then she has a ability like Love Kiss or whatever it is called that has no relation with stone. Then there are rules for some stone turning, but not others. I guess you could say her overall concept is love or infatuation. and the abilities loosely are connected to that, but i would not call that one principle.
Fair point Zhenja, then the answer is the enemy ship is Blackbeard's.
So Yamato took the name Oden because I believe he belepieved someone from Oden’s bloodline needed to reopen the borders of Wano and assist with the Dawn of the World, whatever that may entail.
It also seems to be something both Momo’s parents believed is necessary, so much that they tried to keep both Momo and Hiyori alive in some capacity so one of them can live on. I don’t think it’s explicit, but their parents seem to be doing so based on them playing their role in the prophecy.
This also seems to be further confirmed by Yamato. After realizing Momo is alive and while protecting him this chapter, he says that Momo’s role is to assist with guiding the world to the Dawn.
In other words, it seemed like Yamato, believing Oden and his bloodline was dead, decided to take it upon himself to carry on Oden’s will and fulfill the role his bloodline was meant to fulfill. But now it seems he is recognizing Momo is the one that will need to step up and play that role. The question is what that role is.
We know one aspect of it is to open the borders of Wano. However, Yamato also expressed a desire to go out and see the world like Yamato did and travel the seas like Oden did. What was unclear was whether those desires played a part in fulfilling Oden’s will.
Short story long, if everything above lines up, does Momo playing his role in the prophecy mean having to go along adventures outside of Wano’s borders, maybe even having to reach Laugh Tale like his father did long ago to fill that role? And if that’s the case, does that mean he’s going to be a passenger on the crew to help get him there (with someone like Yamato and maybe someone else Yamato and/or someone else Momo might trust more intimately to be by his side along the voyage)?
I wouldn’t consider those people “crew mates”, but I could see them being honorary crew members or people like Johnny/Yosaku and arguably Law who sailed with the Straw Hats in a fun capacity for a short period of time while the crew carried on their adventures.
Am I looking too deeply into things?
I don't think so. I think defining who is a nakama and who is simply sailing with the strawhats is a valid point of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo
I've brought it up before that Shanks and Buggy were members of the Roger pirates but they weren't acting members of the crew. An apprentice isn't really seen as a fully-fledged member of the crew. I think there's potential for people to join the crew without being fully considered members (kids, pets, Zeus for example).
Given Oda's time frame for when he wants to reach Raftel, I could definitely see Yamato and Carrot and maybe even Momo joining given that the Dawn seems to be an important shared plot point between them and seems to be integral to One Piece's endgame as a whole.
With Yamato getting that this is Momo's duty now, Yamato can be their own person.
That person? Luffy's next crewmate. They are the only character since Jinbe to seem like a main character. Due to cool design, neat weapon and maybe some kind of dragon fruit? Along with actually wanting to travel with Luffy.
Momo and Carrot are done this arc. Not that they ever had a chance.
Carrot complete her goal after this Arc. She travelled and saw Whole Cake Island and Wanokuni. And she becomes her revenge when she wins against perospero.
And the last point is, she is a member of the mink tribe. This tribe have a traditional connection with the Kouzuki clan. Wano needs help after the war. She will be a part of the newstart.
Yamato could be the newest member. She is strong, fights with a special weapon, ate a devil fruit. It could be that her goal is the same like Oden. She want to travel But she rode the diary and she knows that Oden had another dream. He wanted to oped Wano.
So, her main dream could be to help Momo to open Wano and to protect him.
I think that Koby will be the last member. He has the same points to join the crew like the other members. And he could built a new navy after the war.
Personally, I'm very intrigued by Yamato's purpose in this arc and curious to know more. I'm sure he will be part of the final push against Kaido, but I still don't see him as a crewmate. Things can always change, thought.
Why did Oda bother to put that much effort into Yamato's design if they are not going to be a crew member?
There was the Nami face point but he seems to be trying to ensure they don't look alike now via subtle details.
The color scheme should have jumped them up on everyone's radar though.
Since when secondary characters all lack effort in design? Every arc has someone that catches the readers' preferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko
Not to Yamato's level, no.
Last "secondary" character with this level of effort? Was Jinbe.
The day my heart was crushed because Flampé didn't join the crew was a hard one.
Look, I'm at least mildly on the Yamato train, and he's got just enough unique features and Oda is trying to push them more (Eyelashes, eybrows, eye shape, light eyes, horns, hair fade, earings, height, accessories in the hair ) that Yamato is starting to look different from Nami at a glance, but its taken some time to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko
It won't ever be an issue in color, in color its a completely stand out design and super unique (And white is one of the three colors along with purple and red that they were missing that would push a character further into likelihood) . But black and white? There's nothing in the initial week one design that screams Oda thought long and hard about how to make it work, or how it would leave a lasting impression beyond the initital gender surprise. (Which WAS a surprise, to be fair.) .
Bringing the hair fade up so you can see it in closeups helps a LOT though. (It used to start below the neck, now its mid cheek) As does adjusting the eyebrows and eye shape some more.
I guess it depends on if this is a case where Oda was thinking about the color from the get go so the similarities didn't initially register to him and people had to complain about it before he realized. Cause Yamato DOES look a bit different now but subtly.
The are certainly *enough* differences to make her stand out, and maybe standing side by side in a lineup the height and horns will really sell it, but everyone spent the first four months saying he looked identical to Nami... and that was true in a lot of shots and completely legitimate. I hate to say it, but that's not a problem Carrot would have ever had. (Carrots design is much plainer, but she would have stood out.) Compare that to Robin and the extreme effot to make her look different...
But again, the hair fade being pulled higher does help a lot.
And it's all those things and subtle changes to me that makes it clear who is in the running if anyone.
While Carrot did not have the Name face issue, though she did get a few changes in terms of design since he realized she was marketable to kids. She very much is a well designed secondary character that stands out, sure. But a lot of other things keep her down. Such as not having too much of a character and overlapping with Chopper. Whereas Yamato has none of those issues andeven wants to go out to sea with Luffy!
And for the record I do think Oda thought up Yamato with her colors in mind first.
I am just saying no one has screamed main character since Jinbe. She is the closest and Oda, even with that first failure to make her stand out? Has put a lot more effort into her than any other secondary character's design to ensure she stands out.
Oda is really not too subtle with these things in my book.