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Definately agreed with all you've said Wagomu. I really wanted to like Team Skull. I mean! I still do. But I wanted to see what I liked about them more. The game really forced the idea that they were just "bad", which I won't mind if they didn't mention they were trainers that failed the island challenges.

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Nanu. Whose's design and laid back personality makes me feel like he was originally written to be an officer that once tried again and again to help make things better, until he became a reflection of the kind of adult he hates(one that gave up and is living with regrets). I wanted so much more out of this guy too.

but eh. maybe it's postgame stuff.

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II gets a lot of points for having an interesting somewhat dark narrative for the series, and having the best post-game content in the series. It also had a good set of pokes, and introduced a bunch of interesting and now important things to the series, including two types. I think it deserves the praise.

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What dark narrative? You mean Team Rocket doing random dickery and then fizzling out into nothing?

As for post-game content, it means squat when the pacing of the game makes you waste hours of grinding just to go through a forgettable post-Whitney game, and then expects you to grindfest AGAIN just to get to the conclusion versus Red.

Contributions to the series doesn't mean that the game itself is paced-well or worth comparing to more recent, polished editions. Otherwise, by default Gen I would always be the best for introducing ALL of the concepts that make pokemon what it is.

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Don't underestimate it. That ability gives you a fast switchout, which gives you a free pivot, and when you put Golisopod back into the wring, you can use First Impression again, for another big priority shot.

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Competetively it could be really interesting, yes. But for the story i don't much care for it ... so switched it out and i don't regret it.

Mareanie is just the cutest thing ever!! And i agree, it is really awesome and it's wrecking shit left and right with those great poison-moves.
The only thing that sucks ... the evolution does not really look appealing. Couldn't they have kept the look of Mareanie at least a bit? Oh well ...

Well, I've been avoiding this thread ever since the spoiler warning popped up but since I just beat the main story I figure I can go here again.

...So what's this I hear about the Big Bad's team being difficult to beat? I swept the whole thing pretty effortlessly with Salazzle myself. After three Nasty Plots, admittedly, but hardly any fights in the game even allowed me to set up that much.
Also after spending so much of the game trying to get an Alolan Raichu I must admit I am phenomenally disappointed in it. That thing did not carry her own weight in the slightest and was ultimately replaced with Solgaleo.

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Yah, Legendaries Only then.

You can't build up your own sex machine, you have to caught it or breed it, as God Intended.

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Well. Guess it's a good thing I'd been breeding myself perfect IV Pokémon in various egg-groups back in ORAS then, so that when the Bank opens I can actually send those over to Sun and have some completely legit breeding 'mons. (I mean I also have some hacked 6IV Dittos in that game... but I figured I'd go and get me some completely legit ones so that nobody could ever accuse me of cheating!! Pointless? Yeah probably.)

I have gained myself an eternal mortal enemy.

Preschooler Ava... one day I will see you in hell you little bitch.

...So many cutscenes...not gonna make it

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Well, I've been avoiding this thread ever since the spoiler warning popped up but since I just beat the main story I figure I can go here again.

...So what's this I hear about the Big Bad's team being difficult to beat? I swept the whole thing pretty effortlessly with Salazzle myself. After three Nasty Plots, admittedly, but hardly any fights in the game even allowed me to set up that much.

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I just finished this one myself. I practically got into a stall battle with my Calm Mind Ninetails, up until I got hit with Toxic and had to cave and use her Z move. The rest of the team would have been swept, but I couldn't survive long enough.

Vast Poni Canyon was a great area. It felt like the most Pokemon place in the game, if that makes sense. Sucks that I killed the only Drampa I ran into, but at least I snagged an Absol and Murkrow :D

Finished the game. Ended up having to box my level 67 Clafeble because I found using Calm Mind + Moonblast very broken and really boring. Plus is kinda got too overlevealed from all the Janjo-O hunting. Also ended up having to box my stater Pokemon because he was getting a bit too powerful too. So yeah, my final team ended up having no Fairy types. The only high level thing I kept was my Wishiwashi because I love this fish so much.

Final Team before the league:
-Vikavolt "OR-Type" early level 40 range
-Wishiwashi "bullied fish" early level 60 range
-Kommo-o "glued plates" Late level 40 range
-Marowak "a numbskull" Late level 50 range
-Exeggutor "ugly giraffe" Early level 50 range
-Minior "comet boy" Late level 50 range

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I gotta say. I loved the Elite 4 and final match a ton better than whatever the hell the Kalos League was going for. My team got it really rough during the last parts since I choose to do every single match with no items, with limited recoveries between them. I ended up having to face the last one with a team of 4 since I exauhsted my revives... and actually lost. The second attempt, while better... ended on a clutch. Really fun final match!

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I feel like.. the game could have focused a bit more on the idea of "building your own Pokemon League". Because while I understood that developing it might have taken years, it was hard to get into it once you, "the player" becomes the region's first champion. It felt incredibly shallow. You sit on a chair and then what? What does having the Champion Title even mean for the kids that take it? Never before has the concpet behind it made me confused.

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I feel like.. the game could have focused a bit more on the idea of "building your own Pokemon League". Because while I understood that developing it might have taken years, it was hard to get into it once you, "the player" becomes the region's first champion. It felt incredibly shallow. You sit on a chair and then what? What does having the Champion Title even mean for the kids that take it? Never before has the concpet behind it made me confused.

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If you go through the Elite Four again and sit on the chair, you get challenged by a random person (from a select pool) who apparently want your title.

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If you go through the Elite Four again and sit on the chair, you get challenged by a random person (from a select pool) who apparently want your title.

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Even if it means going against this game's intended canon, it would be nice if the challengers can actually take the seat if you lose

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I found it kind of nice that you ended up the champion this time, mostly since it doesn't make much sense in the other games for you to repeatedly beat the champions and still see them sitting in the place of honor. It was kind of cool for you to ascend the throne of Gary Oak, and I think that it makes more sense with the series canon for you, the champion, to be this dude running around with your own agenda, occasionally taking on challengers to the throne.

I just wish that trainers got stronger through the game (all of them, progressively, instead of just a few after you beat the game first) so that they might actually pose a threat, and so that you can level up better. What happened to that? Ever since gen 2, we had trainer rematches be a thing.

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I guess the game never made it clear why was the champion title important to the player. Maybe they did and I forgot due the to main campaign being hijacked by Lillie's development for the most part.

But I admit, I did like that feeling of being the person waiting in an empty room towards the end of the league. But it did feel strange sitting there, pondering what it even means to be the final boss.

Guess I'll take back what I said when it felt "shallow". It's more ambigious, because as the player... I never really thought about what I'd do once I become champion besides "I want to get this thing over with to access post game, and be free to do what I want".

Heh. I'll take that.

Trainer rematches is a thing that I'd really want back. Although the phone number system makes it a bit dated. Perhaps if it was exchanged with text messages that you can check whenever you like. Also, this is something I've always wanted but.. since the games always seem to emphasize how good you are, it would be nice if you can take up your own apprentice trainers.

Just arrived on Ula'ula Island and

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man, Hau's Raichu crushed my entire team with its Psychic move alone.

Current team:

Torracat Lv 27
Charjabug Lv 27
Wimpod Lv 26
Steenee Lv 25
Passimian Lv 25
Sandygast Lv 24

Haven't read this thread since the games got out in the US and I am still slightly scared of accidental spoilers, so I'm not too sure what others think, but this game feels more difficult than the rest of them. Granted, I'm sticking to Alola Pokémon only, immediately turned off the Exp. Share, do not grind besides beating all trainers I see and have my Battle Style as set, but still. I am using potions and revives way more often than I ever have.
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I accidently fled from the first Ultra Beast battle (damn you, Wimpod), in the following cutscene it just flickered a bit and then disappeared. I guess that's no different from what would've happened if I actually beat it?

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I didn't know Alolan Raichu was part Psychic until Lysanroc bit it. What a weird typing, but a good weird. But it didn't sweep my team. (everyone is ~27)

Now youtube thumbnails kinda spoiled me a bit on this, but I don't think the Aether Foundation is good news, from Lusamine's overly maternal feelings towards the pokemon and her rather terrifiyng grin in the wormhole scene. Also that f**king jellyfish is terrifying, kill it with fire.

ps. GIVE ME GUZMA GAME.

Also the beginning of the third island kinda annoyed me a bit with its handholding. I tried to go left, just to see what was beyond, but Lillie was like "no player shouldn't you find the professor in the garden"? C'mon, Lillie!

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Also the beginning of the third island kinda annoyed me a bit with its handholding. I tried to go left, just to see what was beyond, but Lillie was like "no player shouldn't you find the professor in the garden"? C'mon, Lillie!

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She gets much worse, so.. try your hardest to get used to her.

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Also I was wondering:

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I accidently fled from the first Ultra Beast battle (damn you, Wimpod), in the following cutscene it just flickered a bit and then disappeared. I guess that's no different from what would've happened if I actually beat it?

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Yeah. That event is scripted. The battle mostly happens to give you something to do between all the cut-scenes.

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She gets much worse, so.. try your hardest to get used to her.

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I mean, I'm fine with her as a character (I do flock to the ojou-types), but yeah.

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but this game feels more difficult than the rest of them. Granted, I'm sticking to Alola Pokémon only, immediately turned off the Exp. Share,

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Well that's the problem. The game, and the exp given out by trainers, is balanced around you having the exp share on at all times.

It's unfortunate because it breaks the game both ways. It's way too easy with it on and you end up overleveled if you even casually hunt for mons, and its a slow grind with it off that leaves you way underleveled. Last gen had the same problems. (And also when your entire party levels at the same time, you lose out on getting to really know and use and test the individuals.) Black and White had the better solution where difference in level affected your exp and there were juicy audinos... so new things could catch up in level almost instantly, but things that were area appropriate would get almost no experience.

My main solution has been to raise 10-12 monsters and rotate out whenever something gets a couple levels ahead of the rest of the party.

The difference in level does affect your exp here. I've seen it while evolving mons for dex entries.

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The difference in level does affect your exp here. I've seen it while evolving mons for dex entries.

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They brought it back then? That's good.

Just hard to judge when in the middle island and everything is about on curve, I guess.

My copy only arrived yesterday, so it's only been today that I've been able to spend some significant time with this though I'm still not very far in, just wrapped up the first encounter with the Team Skull grunts. I can already see what people are saying about the increased difficulty compared to previous titles - Teacher Emily's Meowth literally chewed through 3/4s of my team, and I came close to wiping against Ilima (his Smeargle suddenly busting out Water Gun versus my Litten prompted an audible "what the fuck?"). I'm already itching for the point where the Pokemon selection starts expanding beyond the usual early-game fodder, though I was surprised to find Slowpoke literally right outside my door.

Presentation-wise this is so much better than X and Y, not just graphically but the way the world's put together and I'm really looking forward to seeing the later locations further on. Also, being able to not only breaking into people's houses, watch their TVs, and rummage through their garbage, but also lie down on their beds is hilariously creepy.